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jeffers 
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 Topic: Tasar is 30!Posted: 11 May 06 at 2:11pm |
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Jamie,
There is a guy with one at Hunts, he is with the scouts. You may be able to get hold of him and get a ride in one. It is lovely to sail but with myself and my usual helm lumbering around in it it felt a bit fragile! Didn't half go though. When are you bringing your Vareo to Hunts next, I want to see it go, you had a great time last time you had it out. Paul |
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5420
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Posted: 11 May 06 at 1:26pm |
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ok i have not sailed a tasar but would love a go in one
after reading all this are looking at the class websitei am turning into a bit of a fan
copmlue of things i would like to know i know you get 35 boats at nats last year but how meany do you consitonly get at opens
and i gaver by all the talk they proferm best on handy cap in light linds agenst 505s b14ect but what is there best wind for going agenst boats like phontoms 420s rs 200 laser 2000 ect thanks jamie |
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swiftsolo.org
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Posted: 11 May 06 at 4:26am |
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Hold on a tick. Speaking for the 59er - not the Tasar. We are now faster than 505s in all conditions. Closest is 12 - 15 knots less than that we beat them by nearly half a leg - just did it last weekend. Over 15 we are faster as well. (We just have more difficulty staying upright) Haven't sailed against UK Cherub or B14. I suspect that it would be a close thing against these boats with different boats winning in different conditions. We have fitted a trapeze and that fixes the performance problem that used to be there in 13 knots plus of breeze. I'm not knocking the other boats either just stating facts. We don't try to plane upwind until the breeze is at least a steady 15 knots plus. |
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JimC
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Posted: 09 May 06 at 10:49pm |
H*** no - it hurts too much when you fall off. |
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combat wombat
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Posted: 09 May 06 at 9:05pm |
No, because I like sailing fast, not getting killed. I do offroad racing though, thats pretty fast and satisfies a hunger for pace. Isis, fair do's about the Moth, but they are exciting no matter what the breeze (I find them pretty exciting on shore too). What I was trying to say is that people tend not to buy boats on their performance in specific conditions. If a Tasar could plane upwind in 9 knots (rich96 I'm with you on this one) it would need very flat water and steady breeze, which are very specific conditions. People buy boats for all round performance across the wind range because we cannot choose the weather! |
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timnoyce
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Posted: 09 May 06 at 5:39pm |
Oh but that is why I love it... part time sailor, part time contortionist! I feel that gnavs and high booms have really taken the fun out of crewing high performance boats recently!  |
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Isis
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Posted: 09 May 06 at 5:33pm |
Sailing in sub 10-knots in the moth is anything but boring. Frustrating yes. Damp yes. Tactical? hell no! Sub 10-knots in the majority of HP boats though is boring, skiff-type hulls dont agree much with roll-tacking so much of the tactics people may assiciate with drifters is replaced but crouching in the corner of a boat with no-where to sit and a harness crunched up in your gut. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 09 May 06 at 5:23pm |
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"Sailing in sub 10 knots is boring" Isn't the above why we go racing, so there is need to concentrate to make the boat go at its optimum speed whatever the wind strength? Things get boring if on your own in light winds (or I get bored, anyway - some people love to drift) but add some other boats to race against and the boredom should go away, even if it isn't exactly replaced by an adrinalin rush - more by the urge to go faster than your rivals and the satisfaction that brings. Getting bored will make you loose concentration, which in turn will mean you sail slower, which means you will be beaten by your rivals, which means you will get more bored, and do even worse. Maybe if speed is all to you, you should take up motorbike racing? (Sorry, my 4 year old has just discovered the "Boring" word, and I'm getting a little pi$$ed off with it...) |
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rich96
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Posted: 09 May 06 at 4:02pm |
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[QUOTE=damp_freddie] [QUOTE=Isis] [QUOTE=damp_freddie] Not many modern high performance dinghies will plane upwind in 9 true knots of breeze. Having sailed one for a few years I can confirm that they will plane upwind when its really blowing hard but you need at least a Force 4 for it to be worthwhile. They are great boats and offer fantastic performance for effort required but do have limitations. When it was breezy we would get blitzed upwind by 470s, Contenders etc. When it was light they would struggle to hold time gainst Larks, Sorpions, Albacores etc. Lets not make people think that the performance is skiff - like etc
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combat wombat
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Posted: 09 May 06 at 3:59pm |
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Freddie,
Please stop going on about these boats, we know they are good but the constant statements that they are faster than everything else under the sun in sub 10 knot conditions is not helpful. Average windspeeds inland may be less than 14 knots, but people don't sail Cherubs, 505's or B14's inland by and large because they prefer sailing in breeze and planing. Fact is, the 505, Cherub and B14 are faster than a Tasar and a 59er across the wind range. Sailing in sub 10 knots is boring - there is no chance of going warp speed, which is why we sail our boats (Cherubs especially, if you've seen the videos of "Mango Jam" in nuking conditions you'll understand why light winds do not interest me and many other high performance sailors). "at a push the L4000 and RS400 are pretty good"? The 4K is one of the success stories of high performance sailing, it is an excellent boat that many people love and would not be without. And the 400, well its a modern classic that is fast with beautiful handling. No-one makes any friends on forums by trashing other boats, especially not 4000's and Cherubs on this forum. |
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