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tickel ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 408 |
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The Tasar will do" what it says on the tin" but it still requires learning. Long, light and efficient. |
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Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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Well, at the risk of opening the PY debate (again) the Tasar has virtually the same handicap as the Merlin Rocket and there's not much between a Fireball and a Merlin. The NS is a foot shorter than the Tasar and has much smaller sails, but is more highly developed so is (I think) a little faster overall. Now, if you were to add a swing rig to it, the jib would act a little like a kite, so would have improved offwind speed. Hence I think you could get sub 1000.
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combat wombat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 345 |
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I refuse to believe that the Tasar is really that fast. Its a
narrow beam 2 man hiking dinghy which was launched in 1975, average
weight with average sail area. It has no spinnaker. Whilst
I will say that it should take out a National 12, it is very unlikely
to plane upwind without help from a trapeze or more extreme beam and
will be pedestrian downwind due to it only having 2 sails, except in a
stiff breeze.
As they say in Sailing Anarchy, pics or it didn't happen. Just my 2pence but... |
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damp_freddie ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Oct 05 Location: Aruba Online Status: Offline Posts: 339 |
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If you want to expereince NS14 style sailing with a good learning curve
and no messing about with traps then the easiest way in the UK is with
the tasar
old boats (some kevlar foam sandwich, others glass foam under 64kg) are still competitive- as I say on the other thread. It is a simple boat to get in and sail but hard to master, hence allowing you and the er wife or like to develop skills and learn to plane upwind without the need for learning trapezing. Also the NS14s and the tasar mostly go on top of a large car. |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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So ......
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I luv Wight ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Jan 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 628 |
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comparing tasar to cherub speed...
At the shared nationals in 1985 ish at HISC, the tasars started 5 mins ahead, and in every race, the leading cherub finished in front of the leading tasar. |
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aardvark_issues ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jul 05 Location: Weston-Super-Mare Online Status: Offline Posts: 505 |
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The only modification to the Big Issue was that we chopped the sides off, as a N12 beam is 2M and the Cherub 1.8M...
Actually worth noting that the original Big Issue lines dont represent the hull shape that mould was made to... Apparently Kevin Driver and Adam May decided it had too much rocker and flattened it out. All boats were made to this mould... Edited by aardvark_issues |
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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Loco is a (slightly modified?) Phill Morrison 'Big Issue' design
Plans are probibly available through the designer for a small fee |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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So who designed Loco and are there pics or plans around?
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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Not the owner but the co pilot: Straight line speed is always a very subjective thing, but from anecdotal reports from those on the beach Loco has been termed as "the fastest thing out there." She also came second at last years Nationals beating the almost unbeatable Andy Paterson two times. And yes it was a light wind Nationals as they have been in recent years. Which is one of the reasons Andy's boats have done so well. He also suffers from the dreaded "it's not that fast in a straight line" comment but has been the Nationals champ for 5 years running. But the thing is that it is never the perfect conditions for the ultimate speed shape, it is always constantly changing conditions and you need hull shapes that cope with that environment. Like Mike said the issue with a Cherub is not it's capability to achieve speed it is the ability to attain that speed on a regular basis. If Loco is slower in a straight line ( which I doubt ) it is only marginal. But it is certainly not slower around the course. So I think you are right - she's no pond boat! I think that supports what you are saying? ;-) |
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