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Brave New Wor;d 
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Joined: 10 Jan 06 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 13 |
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 Topic: MK 4 OSPREYPosted: 11 Apr 06 at 5:53pm |
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I thank all people for keeping their comment to a minimum and there should be a full statement on our Web site within the next 24 hours. The class is still working at the issues but as class chairman I would hope we can keep comment to fact not fiction Thanks to you all Nick J Jones Edited by Brave New Wor;d |
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Joined: 21 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
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Posted: 11 Apr 06 at 5:27pm |
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I guess they are dealing with the issues. I hope they sort it ... I sailed Andy Barkers boat with Vyv Townend at an Osprey Open once; good event; I have never had such a bad hangover on a Sunday at a sailing event. They do know how to enjoy a beer. Rick |
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Norbert
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Joined: 31 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 351 |
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Posted: 11 Apr 06 at 5:10pm |
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So what, pray tell, is the current position? Does the Osprey class have a Mk IV and / or builder? |
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Posted: 11 Apr 06 at 5:07pm |
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"The Forum is currently offline for maintenance." Why not just say "The Forum is currently offline to avoid any more misinformation" Rick |
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vscott
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Joined: 11 Apr 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 181 |
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Posted: 11 Apr 06 at 4:37pm |
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Although not certain yet what the results of the weekend's meeting are we got to sail against 1317 this weekend. Bird of Prey looked absolutely fantastic as she was put together in the morning and we are waiting more eagerly than ever for ours to arrive. Certainly not cancelling our order! That said - it was nice to lead her round the course! I hope this shows Mk3s and below are not going to be automatically beaten by the Mk4s - which is excellent news. Doesn't stop us wanting our new boat, though!
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Pierre
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Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532 |
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Posted: 04 Apr 06 at 5:01pm |
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Guys, please bear with it. The new boat is fantastic, and more news hopefully after the weekend. |
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Norbert
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Posted: 04 Apr 06 at 2:40pm |
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Dear oh dear oh dear, what is going on here, the osprey forum seems down. The osprey was a fantastic boat from the days of my youth, and would appear to self destructing... why? What's the story mornin glory? |
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tack'ho
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Joined: 08 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1100 |
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Posted: 04 Apr 06 at 8:49am |
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Its a funny old world isn't it! I wonder how many of the people in any class who complain that a newer boat/biulding technique is faster would also complain that those people who go to the gym two-three times a week and get out and train regularly are faster. Perhaps you could introduce class rules outlawing people with too higher O2 Max scores from competing as not everyone has access to the Gym or is still young enough! I imagine FRP Solos are quicker, so what! When I was at uni the Self draining 12s were quicker than mine, did I moan that I couldn't afford one? Or did I just try a bit harder? Many classes have introduced prizes for older boats and there is a lot of kudos in beating some of the newer boats and walking away with some silverware and a nice prize sailing one. The issue is entirely phsycological, and I perceive it to lie in the mid-fleet warriors (not all of them or even a majority of them) who are worried about one place here or there in 20s. I believe someone wrote something very interesting and poigniant (spelling BNS?) in another thread. Which I'll para-phrase as 'If you can't win in the national champions boat then the problem is not with your boat!' |
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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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Rob.e
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Joined: 19 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 545 |
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Posted: 03 Apr 06 at 8:45pm |
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Well what I'm getting at is exactly that! There is real unpleasantness in the Solo's at the moment, with a tiny minority causing great harm over the FRP issue. Frankly I can't see how a class can expect to thrive in a modern world if it doesn't accept change: carefully managed tho' it must be! As for saying there is no doubt the FRP hulls are quicker, I think there is no doubt they are sailed by quicker people, but wood boats have had good results recently in the right hands. I guess I am typical in that I didn't want to spend 5 grand or more on my first boat, so I bought a cheaper wood one. Once I was comitted, I upgraded to an FRP, largely due to maintenance considerations. So, given a seasons practice, and having found where the marks and tides are, my results are better, and everyone thinks it's the new boat! I'm sure that I would be doing just as well in the old boat if it was down to weight and had a new sail and good foils. Frankly if I could find racing as good in a class that wasn't tearing itself apart, I'd be tempted to change. As you say, you rely on a strong class assoc. In case you hadn't guessed, it's a bit of a sore subject at the mo'! |
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getafix
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Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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Posted: 03 Apr 06 at 5:24pm |
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Not sure what you're getting at here but I have seen some pretty poor threads on the Solo forum regarding FRP boats and how they match up with the woodies under the 'one design' status of the Solo class - in fact one thread got so heated that the class assoc removed it entirely. I think this kind of problem will keep happening in established classes because the march of technology and constant ebb and flow of new blood into older classes make it inevitable. For example, the Fireball class had this when the first Aussie GRP hulls came in and then later with the Winder 'white machine' F'Balls, they got past it but it caused serious unhappiness at the time. Solo faces it today - there's no doubt the FRP boats are quicker - but once the genie is out of the bottle, how do you put it back in? Lots of people have bought the new boat - they don't want to lose money. Similarly, there are a lot of people who have the older boats - they don't want to be forced to spend out on a new boat just to compete fairly. The answer - a strong association has to make the call and lead from the front throughout the process - it looks like the Osprey class guys could do with stepping up to the plate and formalising the classes' position asap. |
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