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    Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by redback

The Tornado may be the fastest cat but I'm sure a new design could be faster and cheaper. 

 

Cheaper, maybe.  Faster, not yet.

 

As for a ladies boat.  It reeally should be another Cat.  How about the F16 or Spitfire ?

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Originally posted by JimC



I'd like to see the 470 stay on as a mixed doubles class, one woman, one man, who crews and who helms unrestricted.

 

I am sure if you did this 95% of the top boats would be Women helming and Men Crewing. Not saying this is a bad thing but in terms of optimisation (which is what Olympic sailing is all about) this would be the most likely winning combination... 

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Like the idea of changing the Tornado to  an open  (2  person) cat which could also be sailed singlehanded  by men and women using the same platform - ie. hulls & tramp - similar to Spitfire/Shadow concept.  You could also drop the Yngling in favour of the 29erXX and the Star and Finn in favour of a more modern keelboat for either fleet racing or match racing... so a line up like:

Laser - mens
Laser Radial - womens
49er - dble mens
29erXX - dble womens
Double handed cat - open
Single handed cat - mens & womens
Keelboat - fleet open
Keelboat - match racing, open

Keep the 470? I know it's popular but it's another boat which has probably suffered more than prospered because of Olypmic status, why not have an extra keelboat element (so Match Racing and fleet racing) - both with conventional kites as a good test of boat handling skills and to off-set all that A-sail stuff!

I don't like the idea of continuing with the Tornado - it's hardly fair to call it a 'production' boat, it's fantastically expensive and can't be trailed (legally) very easily - it is incredibly fast though...
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The trouble is that conventional kite boats probably have a limited life. Like it or not eventualy they will probably decline over the comming years unless ,of course, someone designs a new one. So, how about  a 59er or a B14 with a propper spinaker or a totaly new skiff, catch that downhill!!!
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Originally posted by tickel

The trouble is that conventional kite boats probably have a limited life. Like it or not eventualy they will probably decline over the comming years unless ,of course, someone designs a new one. So, how about  a 59er or a B14 with a propper spinaker or a totaly new skiff, catch that downhill!!!

I think this has been covered before - on nationals turnouts, the symmetrical spinnakered boats are more popular than they have been in many years, and abroard they are streets ahead of the skiff like boats in terms of numbers sailed.

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yer but the skiff boats are the best in terms of tv coverage!  who wants to watch a 470 going down wind??  (noone)  who wants to watch a skiff fly downwind??  everyone!!   sail numbers mean nothing if the boats sit in the boat park and arnt sailed.
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Well Rupert, that may be true for now but in time everything develops. It's not the type of kite but what it's attached to that counts. Modern boats are image and image is popularity in the modern world. The Olympics are the premier advertising spot for our sport. My own children, both successful sailors, and one a girl, always had trouble making their friends understand that they didn't just float around on old wooden things looking at the view
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So, Maybe we need a third form of Spinnaker - one with the wow factor of the asym and the versatility of the conventional one. Over to all you budding sail designers...
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Originally posted by carshalton fc

...tv coverage!


Hmm, not much difference between
"who wants to watch a pole kite boat - no-one"
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"who wants to watch a asymettric boat - almost no-one"
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Originally posted by Rupert

So, Maybe we need a third form of Spinnaker - one with the wow factor of the asym and the versatility of the conventional one. Over to all you budding sail designers...


You mean like this kind of thing?



Its more a matter of having a sensible length polethan anything else...
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