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    Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 3:14pm

Minorca Sailing fit mast head floats to all dinghies as a matter of policy, regardless of the skill level of the crew. It is also the policy at Queen Mary that all hired asymetric boats have a mast head float.

I sail my Laser Vago with a mast head float, it may not be cool, but when sailing solo it is very much safer. The modern asymetric dinghy will turnturtle almost immediately with the kite up, the Laser 2000 loves to invert and after having been caught once underneath it is not something I would wish to repeat.

A 40 litre mast head float on a Hobie cat would have almost certainly given this girl a chance to free herself and most probably would have prevented the inversion.

Quick release harnesses are not the answer, preventing or slowing inversion is.

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Originally posted by Bumble

The incident will have no bearing on the UK situation but it is worth remembering, if you like your kids, you wouldn't let them go rock climbing/horse riding (incidentally the statistically dangerous thing you can do)/caving/etc without any proven experience on their own....... so why is sailing any different.

They weren't meant to be "on their own". They were at an organised sailing centre with rescue boat cover.

Insurance has absolutely nothing to do with this. You can't insure yourself against criminal charges.

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All this is very worrying.  There's no denying that sailing can, at times, be a dangerous sport but, certainly at my school, most people do not recognise this and it's only when a tragic event like this happens that people start to investigate the safety of the sport.  Although the RYA lay down strict guidelines to holiday resorts and clubs there are still many ways to make sailing a safer sport.  It seems to pass us regular club sailors by exactly how dangerous sending a young girl with practically no sailing experience whatsoever out on a trapezing cat and i think the holiday resorts will have to seriously reconsider thier policies.  What i don't want is the British sports associations to start putting in very strict safety rules that would affect all of our sailing lives.  A person new to my club works as a health and safety advisor and she was horrified that 8 year olds were allowed to go out on the sea alone with no supervision and that children were allowed to hang off the sides of boats on wires that could trap them in a capsize.  I can see from all this new rules coming in like:  "no sailing in above a F5",  "children under 12 have to be accompannied by a responsible adult when sailing", and "no trapezing for children under 18" 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Isis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 4:32pm
I know very little about what went on out there but a quick scan through the paper this morning spotted it...

Did anyone else notice the fact that she went out with two 'experianced' sailors who where unable to right the boat and promptly swam off to shore to safety leaving the 3rd girl trapped. I may have got the wrong impression from the wording but it doesnt sound like what were being told is entirely factualy correct
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 5:15pm
I suggest you read the various links at the beginning of the thread. That doesn't appear to be quite what happened.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Isis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 5:22pm
My bad... I managed to skip to page 2 without seeing any of the earlier comments.
Still, that was the impression I got from the paper...
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Originally posted by Worthy

From reading various articles on the issue, it appears to me that the (Greek) law that was broken was that they let under 16s out on a boat unsupervised.


I don't think so. I was there at the time and went back to another Greek Sunsail resort a year later. The only difference was that under 16s needed their parents permission to sail. No one needed any extra supervision.

The rescue cover in that resort at the time was really good too (obviously not quite good enough) but I don't think I have seen any better rescuing anywhere else.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 5:41pm

http://www.lrmt.co.uk/Laura_Rose_News/Laura_Rose_Morgan_News _PDF/Sunsail_employees_charged_with_manslaughter.pdf

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"Sunsail are also accused of breaching Greek port regulation number 20 which, at the time, forbade the hire of catamarans to under-16s without an adult on board."

 

 

 

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What i can't believe is that none were carrying a knife and they let them out alone. I think that the parents should have asked advice from the instructors about whethere this was a safe idea in the 1st place to let the kids out, one of them being inexperienced, in this sort of boat.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 49erGBR735HSC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 7:59pm
Not looked into the articles too much but have the general idea. I reckon that for hiring any boat out, sailors should have to be able to prove a level of competance, i.e they have reached a certain point within the RYA scheme which proves they can handle the boat they want to sail or alternatively be able to prove they know what they are doing. If sailors can't prove their skill levels, they should at least be accompanied by an instructor or the boat doesn't leave the shore, no matter if it's a sailing centre in Britain, the Med or anywhere else.
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