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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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They weren't meant to be "on their own". They were at an organised sailing centre with rescue boat cover. Insurance has absolutely nothing to do with this. You can't insure yourself against criminal charges. |
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Sumo ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 144 |
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Minorca Sailing fit mast head floats to all dinghies as a matter of policy, regardless of the skill level of the crew. It is also the policy at Queen Mary that all hired asymetric boats have a mast head float. I sail my Laser Vago with a mast head float, it may not be cool, but when sailing solo it is very much safer. The modern asymetric dinghy will turnturtle almost immediately with the kite up, the Laser 2000 loves to invert and after having been caught once underneath it is not something I would wish to repeat. A 40 litre mast head float on a Hobie cat would have almost certainly given this girl a chance to free herself and most probably would have prevented the inversion. Quick release harnesses are not the answer, preventing or slowing inversion is. |
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Bumble ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 05 Location: Taiwan Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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This is an extraordinary case. The hotel staff were found negligent in 'ensuring the girl sailed with adults' implying that this is the Greeks legal president over ensuring suitable ability or rescue cover. I don't doubt the inherent danger involved in watersports was considered by the judge who gave it no mention. As somebody mentioned, in the UK that would be a 'corporate' responsibility, for which -following the Lyme Bay incident- all operators are insured for (or should I say: insured to cover hysterical parents compensation claims). This insurance is one of the reasons it is more cost effective to do such things in Greece. The ruling might have much to do with the Greek authorities wanting to protect this foreign business interest....... just speculation. The incident will have no bearing on the UK situation but it is worth remembering, if you like your kids, you wouldn't let them go rock climbing/horse riding (incidentally the statistically dangerous thing you can do)/caving/etc without any proven experience on their own....... so why is sailing any different. |
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Worthy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 511 |
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From reading various articles on the issue, it appears to me that the (Greek) law that was broken was that they let under 16s out on a boat unsupervised.
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hurricane ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1047 |
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i was on a beach holiday about a month after this happened with a different company and i know they were fitting floatation bags at the top of the halyards on all the cats and bigger boats! i do wonder what the effects will be on the beach clubs, i do hope it is not the reduction of cats! |
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Shingle ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jul 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 111 |
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All the Hobie 14s I've seen in France have mast head floats, so this indicates they've a tendancy to invert. I think you'll find the RYA recomends calling club boats 'support' or 'motorboats' instead of 'Rescue Boat' to avoid potential laws suits. I don't know how Sunsail refer to them.
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KnightMare ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1682 |
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Yeah that was my main question when I first read it, would amast head float have helped. I know it would have on a mono hull but I dont know enough about cats to decide. I do think that sun sail should have taken some of the stick because the empolyees may have been following procedure exactly. (but may not have its very hard ot tell) |
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CurlyBen ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Aug 05 Location: Southampton Online Status: Offline Posts: 539 |
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I heard something about (I presume) this case when I was on a Sunsail holiday a couple of years ago and I was told it was a practically windless day and they had people trapezing out both sides, until one fell off somehow and the boat capsized on top of the other girl who subsequently got tangled up. Not sure whether it was the hook itself that caused the problems in this case. One thing I did notice was they wanted to know why a masthead float wasn't fitted - in my experience this may have slowed things down but isn't likely to prevent inversion. One thing I don't understand is the aversion of some people to carrying knives on boats - I can understand why they may not want to use them, but surely it's better to have the option if it becomes essential?
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Bruce Starbuck ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 124 |
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On reading those articles, it seems that only the individuals have been punished. Wouldn't this be a corporate manslaughter case in the UK? Maybe Greek law is different. Anyone know?
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Shingle ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jul 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 111 |
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How tragic, we've all seen kids larking around on boats. 'what if' thoughts often run through my head. Hopefully there won't be any red tape to impact on sailing clubs in this country, as knee-jerk reaction!
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