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    Posted: 15 Mar 06 at 10:57am

I don't think it will take too long to establish a 29er XX circuit and with your previous 29er experience and the impetuosity of youth when not get one and set your self an unrealistically high tgt, like winning the first Nats and work like deranged idiots to achieve it.  Now that is a CHALLENGE.
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i imagine the 29erxx would be best,  as a "younger" person like yourself i can understand why u want to go into the 800 and 49er but sometimes u need to think about things like maintence cost etc and if u get the 29erxx u will aready have the boat just need to get the rig and if u breack something on the rig u can always swap for the old rig as a back up.  Also once u have mastered the xx u can jump into a 49er or 800 and u are less likely to swim all the time and breack things. 

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ipersonally have no doubt that we could handle an 880 even now. Tom has already had a years crewing experiance in one and his helm was only the same weight as i am now, they coped very well, not achieving too many good results due to the helm's extremely bad arthuritis, but not too many breakages.

you have made some valid point about the 29er xx but do people really believe it will take off? i have my doubts, but i may be wrong.
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If you want an 800 then go for it.  But personally i would think the 29erXX would be more fun to sail anyway.
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Originally posted by 29er397

you have made some valid point about the 29er xx but do people really believe it will take off? i have my doubts, but i may be wrong.

yer course it will take off it is designed by jelien bethweight and made by ovi it has to be a hit  
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Originally posted by 29er397

you have made some valid point about the 29er xx but do people really believe it will take off? i have my doubts, but i may be wrong.

yer course it will take off it is designed by jelien bethweight and made by ovi it has to be a hit  

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Ben made a valid point earlier in the thread, the 5K is another option. The boats are really cheap, give you all the basic skills for the 49er and give you basically the same basic racing skills.The boats are roughly the same size, have similar sail areas and I reckon the class will be building up again. From personal experience, the boat in some aspects is more physically demanding due to having higher sheet loads and bags for the kite. The 5k is more stable, as  the 49er is lighter and carries a little more sail area. However, being young will mean that the extra agilitity the 49er demands shouldn't pose too many problems especially after sailing 29ers for a bit. There are quite a few 49er sailors planning to double up and sail at 5k events this season so that shows a good indication for the boat too. Plus with the 5k, you won't have major maintenence issues. If crew consistancy is a problem, the 800 might be very worth a look too.
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i would have thought it would be strenth we lack in as youths not agility.

we have narrowed it down to 3 options:

1. cherub

2. rs800/29erX

3. 49er - depending on how much we grow etc
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Not saying that your not good enough or anything but a 49er is a very difficult boat to sail. I do not sail one but I am getting one this year because this is my last year as a youth in the 29er. If you look at the 49er guys that come out of 29ers it takes them a fair while to get up to a reasonable level at boathandling and not pissing it in a every bear away etc.

Personnally I would say sail a 49er first and sail it in a reasonable breeze aswell just to see what they are like. I would say get a 29er XX, after sailing one at the Europeans this year they are awsum. We were probably a bit to heavy at 142kg but it was very quick - you keep up with 49ers downwind in 14 knots you just sail a higher angle and upwind they a rapid. Once people get expreianced in them and sort out rig settings etc they will be faster than an RS800.

It would not be strength it would be endurance and aerobic fitness. There is not to much strength required compared to other boats but you do have to work the whole time. Ever tryed hoisting a 49er kite - easy the first time and then they seem to get considerable slower each time.

I would go for the 29er XX after sailing it.
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I think that they are all potentialy good choices,

Cherub;
If you are interested in tinkering with more than just the string parts of a boat then the Cherub is the boat for you. sailing something that you have built or modified yourself is a unique thrill. It is slower than the others but feels livelyer and feels faster. There are some good boats availible second hand at the moment. The problem is that you wont get much class racing.

29erXX
Bethwait has a habit of turning out pretty good boats and with the time taken to develop the rig the XX is probably not going to disapoint. The way the class goes could vary a lot depending on how it goes at the roumored trials for a new womans Olympic class. If it gets accepted and you have an XX rig then I do not think you will loose much money on it. But putting an XX rig on may depreceate the value of the 29er hull.

49er
They seem to be growing at club level at the moment but unless you are able to put in a lot of time on the water together I think you could start to get frustrated as if you only get out erracicaly it could feel like taking two steps forward and slipping one back. They give the impression of being expensive boats to run, you go through a lot of rope and gloves in a season.

RS800
Probably the eisiest to sail, but you are stuck with the helm doing the main which is an old fashioned setup and seems a backward step coming from the 29er

Laser 5000
Not called the five tonner for nothing the heaviest with the most primitive rig, the sheet loads are something else. Unless there was another few 5000's at your club I would avoid it.
If you only had the cash availible for an old boat then I think you would be better off getting an old Int 14 than a 5000.

If you can get a sail in as many of them as possible as that is the best way to make your mind up.
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