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29er397 
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 Topic: For fun or for winning?Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 5:18pm |
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see this is the type of thinking i can get along with - a bit more positive lol. but yer, we are both 65 kg and 5'11" so by the end of this season we should both be roughly 6 foot and a couple of kg heavier. if my older bros are anything to go by, we can both expect to be 6'2"+ and 75kg before to long, admittedly the 'boat handling hump' of the 49er will be a big one to get over but i have the confidence that we could do it. It all just depends on what happens in the nest few months. thanks again. Edited by 29er397 |
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49erGBR735HSC
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Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 5:10pm |
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The 29erXX rig was planned to be released in March, best phoning Ovington Boats to find out. If you and your crew are 65kg each, the 49er might not be too bad an option, we sailed her with me weighing 70kg and a crew weighing 60kg but both of us were over 6ft which helped with our righting moment due to extra leverage. Sailing now with combined weight of 148 kg and the boat seems more comfortable but it can be sailed at 130kg. Main problem you'll have just now is there aren't many 49ers being sold for less than £5000 and that's before you insure it. Noble do the best policy for the boat though.......
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29er397
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Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 4:48pm |
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yer, you've all made very valid ponits. we have organised a go in a cherub we hope for april, and we have already sailed an rs800 together, im not too sure about the 5000 and im pretty sure we wont be getting into one of them. does anyone know when the 29erX rigs will be available? i think we would prefer a one design to an old 14 basically because of the disadvantage we would have over the newer boats in the class and we dont hav the funds to upgrade to much. If we are lucky there might be a couple of 49ers at the kielder scottish skiff event in april so we will try and blag a ride if we can. i supose to make a proper decision we need to try all the possibilities. thanks you've all been a great help |
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49erGBR735HSC
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Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 4:15pm |
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Basically, Granite has summed it up. However I'd choose the 5000 over an old 14 because its an SMOD and you don't have the further developed boats over-shadowing it within the class, if you have the ability in the 5k there's nothing to stop you winning the opens in an old boat. General running costs for the 49er can be blown out of proportion, we've had our boat since 2004 and only had to replace one mainsheet, two gnav arms and a block for one of the control lines through general wear and tear. Reckon that's well under £200. If you get a decent boat with good inventory of sails and spares they don't cost too much to keep running. Insurance is the only bad point, know of 3 49ers getting quoted around £500 ecah this season. If you are confident but air on the side of caution with the boat initially, it isn't too bad, basically be confident with your boat handling skills but don't jump in to the deep end and go out in big winds until you know what your doing. A lot of the boat handling skills can be picked up off Higher and Faster, had a really good crew step onto the boat with little experience of her before and was up to speed because he'd studied the manouveres on the DVD. |
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Granite
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Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 12:04pm |
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I think that they are all potentialy good choices,
Cherub; If you are interested in tinkering with more than just the string parts of a boat then the Cherub is the boat for you. sailing something that you have built or modified yourself is a unique thrill. It is slower than the others but feels livelyer and feels faster. There are some good boats availible second hand at the moment. The problem is that you wont get much class racing. 29erXX Bethwait has a habit of turning out pretty good boats and with the time taken to develop the rig the XX is probably not going to disapoint. The way the class goes could vary a lot depending on how it goes at the roumored trials for a new womans Olympic class. If it gets accepted and you have an XX rig then I do not think you will loose much money on it. But putting an XX rig on may depreceate the value of the 29er hull. 49er They seem to be growing at club level at the moment but unless you are able to put in a lot of time on the water together I think you could start to get frustrated as if you only get out erracicaly it could feel like taking two steps forward and slipping one back. They give the impression of being expensive boats to run, you go through a lot of rope and gloves in a season. RS800 Probably the eisiest to sail, but you are stuck with the helm doing the main which is an old fashioned setup and seems a backward step coming from the 29er Laser 5000 Not called the five tonner for nothing the heaviest with the most primitive rig, the sheet loads are something else. Unless there was another few 5000's at your club I would avoid it. If you only had the cash availible for an old boat then I think you would be better off getting an old Int 14 than a 5000. If you can get a sail in as many of them as possible as that is the best way to make your mind up. |
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Skiffman
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Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 10:26am |
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Not saying that your not good enough or anything but a 49er is a very difficult boat to sail. I do not sail one but I am getting one this year because this is my last year as a youth in the 29er. If you look at the 49er guys that come out of 29ers it takes them a fair while to get up to a reasonable level at boathandling and not pissing it in a every bear away etc. Personnally I would say sail a 49er first and sail it in a reasonable breeze aswell just to see what they are like. I would say get a 29er XX, after sailing one at the Europeans this year they are awsum. We were probably a bit to heavy at 142kg but it was very quick - you keep up with 49ers downwind in 14 knots you just sail a higher angle and upwind they a rapid. Once people get expreianced in them and sort out rig settings etc they will be faster than an RS800. It would not be strength it would be endurance and aerobic fitness. There is not to much strength required compared to other boats but you do have to work the whole time. Ever tryed hoisting a 49er kite - easy the first time and then they seem to get considerable slower each time. I would go for the 29er XX after sailing it. |
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29er397
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Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 10:37pm |
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i would have thought it would be strenth we lack in as youths not agility. we have narrowed it down to 3 options: 1. cherub 2. rs800/29erX 3. 49er - depending on how much we grow etc |
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49erGBR735HSC
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Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 5:49pm |
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Ben made a valid point earlier in the thread, the 5K is another option. The boats are really cheap, give you all the basic skills for the 49er and give you basically the same basic racing skills.The boats are roughly the same size, have similar sail areas and I reckon the class will be building up again. From personal experience, the boat in some aspects is more physically demanding due to having higher sheet loads and bags for the kite. The 5k is more stable, as the 49er is lighter and carries a little more sail area. However, being young will mean that the extra agilitity the 49er demands shouldn't pose too many problems especially after sailing 29ers for a bit. There are quite a few 49er sailors planning to double up and sail at 5k events this season so that shows a good indication for the boat too. Plus with the 5k, you won't have major maintenence issues. If crew consistancy is a problem, the 800 might be very worth a look too.
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Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 8:50am |
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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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carshalton fc
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Posted: 15 Mar 06 at 6:59pm |
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yer course it will take off it is designed by jelien bethweight and made by ovi it has to be a hit |
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