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    Posted: 13 Mar 06 at 6:12pm
Right not got much time for a full post but I thought it was worth raising this website....

http://www.capecodfrosty.org/index.htm

6foot 4inches so a little long but it proves that something of this size can be sailed by real people.. In this case lardy Americans!

(no offence to be taken by any lardy Americans reading this)
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Originally posted by Bobbins

What are you planning on making these hulls out of?  Admittedly my boat building knowledge is close to zero, but making some of the flat-nosed hull shapes out of ply and on a student budget looks like something of a challenge. Can't see how you could keep the wood stressed like in some of the moth designs
If you cut  the elevation of the hull including the centre rib out of one sheet of ply then mount formers accros  it you can build a simple hard chine hull. Just cut away any of the ply which adds  wieght but no strength and bobs yer uncle. Lets face it with a  6' hull wieght is not much of a problem so why go high tech. Another solution could be to saw 3' off each end of a N 12.
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hmmm... if the hull only has a 6" max waterline what is to stop a design with a dreadnought bow and americas cup style 'hula' hanging of the stern to add for/eaft stability?
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There is nothing official to stop that... as has been mentioned a few times the rules have been kept as simple as possible for now and are still in their first drafting. The intent of the rules is obviously to produce a 6ft boat however and anyone blatently trying to cheat this as you suggest or with bouyant snouts/gantries will not have built a 6
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Or what about sailing your 6 ft long by say 12ft wide boat sideways?
If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right
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Originally posted by tickel

Another solution could be to saw 3' off each end of a N 12.


Except it would be way too narrow...
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Originally posted by Granite

Or what about sailing your 6 ft long by say 12ft wide boat sideways?


nothing at all...

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I wasn't trying to cheat, it was more of a suggestion to see if any allowances had been made and to see if this form of design was feasible. Forward slooping bows are used in many classes and the designs are not deemed as cheating.

My post originated from the point of bouyancy. Instead of thinking of inovative ways of floating above the water, what about a hull shape that passes through it... a kind of wave piearcing boat using the ideas of 'Team Phillips'

I don't know if this contravenes (my big word of the day!!) the stated law on bouyancy - The hull must have a minimum of two watertight compartments, with a combined volume to support the boat fully rigged and crew while capsized - but I reckon it would look like somone trying to sail a torpedo!
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that just means that when your capsized the boats not alowed to sink doesnt it? if you could manage to make it neutraly bouyant with water ballast etc then it would weigh to much i think. im going for a simple design: a box with a rig on and it angled slightly in at one end to make it slighty more pointy. lets face it with a 6' waterline you NEED to plane.



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Originally posted by andyrj

I wasn't trying to cheat, it was more of a suggestion to see if any allowances had been made and to see if this form of design was feasible. Forward slooping bows are used in many classes and the designs are not deemed as cheating.

My post originated from the point of bouyancy. Instead of thinking of inovative ways of floating above the water, what about a hull shape that passes through it... a kind of wave piearcing boat using the ideas of 'Team Phillips' Funny you should say that. At the Dinghy Show my son ( sails a Moth now) and I were talking to Mark Giles designer of Lightning and Supernova. He maintains that a torpedo which is totaly submerged has almost no resitance, if you controll torpedo depth with hydroplanes and support a simple hull above it it should be faster than a foiling Moth. Dive Dive Dive!!!

I don't know if this contravenes (my big word of the day!!) the stated law on bouyancy - The hull must have a minimum of two watertight compartments, with a combined volume to support the boat fully rigged and crew while capsized - but I reckon it would look like somone trying to sail a torpedo!
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