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Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
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laser47 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 349 |
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yup, it looked like a really nice boat
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Blobby ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 May 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 779 |
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Funny - I would completely disagree with most of these ideas - it just starts to make it all too hard for everybody... I wouldn't worry about rate of change of designs etc - not all new designs are automatically faster, most people will not try to design their own boat and even if they do so what? More people are allowed to design boats than Phil Morrison! If a one off is built that performs well there is nothing to stop the big boys buying a license to produce the design anyway if they felt threatened. That way they get to build fast boats that they can sell into an existing class structure without the development cost. Why charge a fee for new designs - the management of the class becomes a nightmare. What constitutes a new design? Changing a mast? Adjusting the detail on a spreader fitting? Going from centre-main sheeting to off the boom with? Change in sail cut? Or just a minor tweak in the hull rocker line? How does the class manage to use the money of registered new designs to promote itself when it might have to give the money back later? Manufacturer's are not over keen on continually changing the fundamentals of their design because it costs money but why prevent them from fixing defects and improving the boat? It has worked well enough for the Hobie Tiger. I can see the in-class tension argument for assy vs. symmetric kite but why prevent people from trying it? I don't think the MRX argument holds much water - this was an attempt at an OD that was competing directly with the Merlins and the RS400 without any financial muscle behind it. Where this started was developing a Formula Rule to enable multiple manufacturer class competition which is a completely different situation. |
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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Im hearing whispers a new development class might be being launched at the boat show this weekend... anyone heard anything about this or am I just getting confuzed?
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Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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Thanks for the feedback Blobby, its good to get other's thoughts. It is surprising, when you really think about it, how many directions a new class could take! Perhaps you're right though, the fee might discourage some designers. I agree totally that the MRX is not a suitable comparison, exactly for the reasons you give. I also agree that determining when a new design is created is tricky, but perhaps if SMOD-like restrictions were applied to each design it could be possible. |
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Blobby ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 May 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 779 |
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There is only so much hype you can generate about your 6ft skiff mate... |
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tickel ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 408 |
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I cant be bothered to plough through all these ideas but I would have thought that we have classes to cope with most peoples needs. If we do need a new development class how about this. 40 odd years ago I sailed model boats. The most succesfull class was and still is the Marblehead. The rules were simple, max 50" long and 800 square inches of sale with the jib 2/3 mast hight which was open. The kite was also open but had to attach no higher than the jib. This ,if translated into a dinghy formula would encourage subletey? and efficiency rather than power. My attitude may be influenced by recent purchase of a Tasar
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Porteous ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 28 Feb 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 32 |
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Good on you Tickle One of Sailings best kept secrets, its a great boat and Nicole Kidman sails one ! Come and see us at the dinghy show with the new Aussie boat and Trannies( Mylar Sails )
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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On how many threads are we going to have to say that it is a different Nicole Kidman?
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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i was happy to be an inocent bystander until i heard the idea of charging manufacturers for new designs. it doesnt seem to make sense, the development of this class would be slowed down quite considerably if each time a manufacturer had an idea they had to spend a 2000 odd pounds extra on developing it as well as the other testing they would do. also i think one offs would be good for the class because if they were rubbish then noone else would try it but if it was good it could be sold to a manufacturer so you the class continualy improved. it would not be the only source of development of course but it has the potential to provide development in bursts when the manufacturers were running out of ideas. |
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318 |
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Javelin53 ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 60 |
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anyone seen the 6 ft skiff thread
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I hoped the threat would be enough!
JAVELIN 53 ENTERPRISE 16691,RESTORATION JOB TOPPER 29388 BUCKENHAM SC |
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