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    Posted: 25 Feb 06 at 6:47pm
Wow 3 pages in 2 days! Thanks everyone. yes Turnturte, wembley sc have quite a big fleet of rs200s and merlins - i think rss are seen as a bit expensive. Apparently something "modern" and "trendy" is wanted, and the Topper Vibe was suggested. It's not for club boats, ie. training, but for class racing.
It has to be able to be raced by teenagers as well, I thin the idea was something between a Firefly and a GP14 and a little more modern.
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here's my suggestion,  the portable wind sheilds that are more commonly refered to as topaz omegas; big, funny and totally mad to sail yet a stable platform for trapezing off and learning on. there's a load of cheap ones floating about at the moment (that is if my club and farmoor haven't got them all by now because at least at my club the fleet is growing amazingly fast)  because they're using the xenon for the champion of champions boat now
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Laser Vagos

They are not quite as changable as a topaz, but are good for bringing in things like trapeze + assymetric, and singlehanded + assymetric + trapeze (for more advanced) and they look like they go quite well most of the time.

Hobie 405 - still competetive, and great fun. Self draining, assymetric, trapeze, all-in-all good fun .. and not too expensive for 2nd handers (£1000) but im not sure on price for new boats. (Also .. good youth boats)
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DO NOT BUY OMEGA's! Please save yourself from the expense, the Scottish Sailing Centre on Cumbrae bought a fleet of these as training boats uder the pretence of all that is mentioned above, and now they are saying that they have never seen a poorer boat! The standard of the fitting out is shocking with all of the specialist topper parts breaking within the first few weeks, the spinaker system is seriously flaud and two of the rigs fell down within a day of each other as the fittings tore out of the hull. They are not actually as stable as everyone seems to think either. Although i can see everyones point about the potential "all-roundness" of the boat it is verging on upsetting at how poor the boat has turned out to be. Another thing is that the mainsheet loads are very large for a boat of its type and due to the system that topper have installed on the mainsheet, there is nothing to be done to prevent the falls of the mainsheet twisting terribly causing increased loads on the sheet! The centre is now looking to formalise a list of complaints i believe and get better boats pretty quick

 

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we have a huge fleet of omegas at hawley, as to do farmoor apparently and according to my knowledge neither club have had problems with them

if they bought them new from topper they will have had the "advantage" of experiencing the poor quality topper now seem to supply their boats in. my club recently purchased 16 new toppers only to have 12 of them break within a week of assembly. it seems that the topper supplied plastic parts weren't strong enough to cope with the strain of being a club boat. i was suggesting picking up some cheap boats second hand (by second hand i mean demo models and Champ of Champs throw offs) which have usually had the faults you mentioned above ironed out, it may be worth the centre you mentioned giving topper a call and getting them to asses and repair the problems with the boats.

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so what do people think of the topper topaz vibe?i wont say what i think... yet...
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i know the boat you want its the laser 2000

they never fall apart (not at the center that i work at any way) you can teach any thing in them you can race them on a good open cercit and there good for club racing to what els do you want

they may be a bit pricey thow

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Originally posted by 5420

i know the boat you want its the laser 2000

they never fall apart (not at the center that i work at any way) you can teach any thing in them you can race them on a good open cercit and there good for club racing to what els do you want

they may be a bit pricey thow



I was at Plas Menai a few years back. They had a fleet of brand new Laser 2000s and they were sending half of them back because the transoms were coming out of them (not just the rudder pintles the whole transom!)

They were not impressed....I found the Laser 2000 to be quite unstable in the gybe as well..anyone else think the same?

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Laser 2000's become unstable by about force 5, from what I've found - I can't think of a boat that doesn't...
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Talk to Carshalton FC and he'll tell you how much fun you can have in a laser 2000 ina F8!!
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