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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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Bumble, I agree with all of that. However there are nice chunks of lottery money coming into sailing clubs here and there, and I suspect that the visibility of sailing as a sport Britain actually wins some medals in, helps to achieve that. So I still think Olympic sailing benefits the grassroots.
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Errrr, yes, surely you CAN get a lot more international than just two out of the world's 258 (or whatever) sovereign countries participating! Doesnt It make it a bit of a mockery when you get some classes which have "worlds" that have competitors from two, three or four nations, and others that have competitors from over 60 - yet they are both classified the same? This is not knocking the B14 guys who all seem very nice and good sailors. But, like the "nationals" I did last week that had sailors from only 3 cities, it's very different from events with greater numbers of potential entrants and a wider spread . |
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Jamie ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 164 |
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http://www.sailing.org/regulations/2006_partV.PDF for International: 6 member national authourities from 3 continents and a boats per country qualification. for Recognized: at least four member national authorities or 3 member authourities from 2 continents, and a boats per country qualification. I can't think of hearing about many b14s from other places, certainly in enough numbers to meet the boats per country quota. So I can only assume that isaf has used 26.2.1 to waive the requirement in the B14's case as apparently it serves a "unique aspect of sailing." So internationally recognized on a technicality. Other classes have to call that event the interdominions or something. Not exactlu "international." great boat though. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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It does look as if they are in trouble numbers wise. This is from their latest report. They need 5 more boats in Japan to maintain status.
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Jon Emmett ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 988 |
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Observation Trials – Women’s High Performance Multi-crewed DinghyIn November 2005, ISAF approved Submission 077-05 from the Danish Sailing Association proposing an Observation Trials for a Women’s High Performance Multi-Crewed Dinghy in the Summer/Autumn of 2006. In order to give a more realistic timescale for manufacturers to respond to the invitation to participate in the trials, the Executive Committee has agreed to amend the original observation trials date from 2006 to Spring 2007, most probably in April. The fundamental criteria which the boats to be evaluated will be:
In addition, the class must have the unquestioned ability to meet the requirements of International Class status within a reasonable time, along with worldwide availability of materials and opportunity for construction. Most recent trials have been held in Torbole, Lake Garda, Italy and in Quiberon, France. ISAF will consider these and other venues to host the observation trials in Spring 2007. The timing will allow due time for consideration of the outcome of the trials for further debate at the 2007 ISAF Annual Conference in Athens, Greece. The full invitation and event brief will be issued soon, but in the meantime any queries should be directed to secretariat@isaf.co.uk. |
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Tornado_ALIVE ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Nov 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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OK here we go for you......... These developments filter down into other classes... Such as the latest sail cuts, shape, design and cloth. Rig tuning, equiptment and operating systems, sailing techniques and stlyes....... These are all developed at a FAR GREATER rate in the likes of the Olympics and AC than in any non pro or semi pro International race circuit and DOES filter down into other classes benifiting them. What happens to the industries and jobs that are involved in Olympic sailing...... They disapear, some may move to another sport that does get the Olympic funding. Olympic rig development = testing MANY masts and sails. This = jobs in the related industries. Also means cheap good gear made available to local / non Olympic Teams for cheap as the Olympic teams discard the gear that they do not select or after using a few times and wants to re-new. Sailing coaches, sail makers (that work along side team), Sport Nutritionists, Physiotherapists, Psychologists, Doctors, Team Managers ect....... These jobs will be lost. Most of these could move onto working with the new Olympic sport but Coaches and Sail makers will loose work and many may not have a job..... Yes these are peoples careers on the line. Jobs created in our sport because of the Olympics.
ISAF has already proposeed to have a mutli class (Olympic Class) world championship at the one venue in each 4 year cycle....... They could extend that to every year or include other International classes. They also already conduct ISAF Championships and there is nothing stopping them from increasing the number of classes that attennds........ But this will not provide the funding, rate of reasearch and development that the Olympic Games produce. Didn't realise you were a specialist in ISAF policies...... The cash that is distributed through our govenment and national sporting bodies does not come from ISAF.... It comes from the tax payer. These funds are, like it or not, reserved for medal results at the Olympics.... For sports that are in the Olympics. If sailing is not there, then the money goes elswhere.
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Read my comments..... The format in the Olympics could be better and I believe they should look at the Volvo format...... That was my point..... What is yours??? Your question... "What will happen to development"...... Answer, it will slow down dramaticaly. It would not be for free but will be at the sailors personal expense. You will not be able to draw from the government financed development.... Another sport will. And "Like it's always been"..... Didn't realise the Olympics and AC were recent developments. Edited by Tornado_ALIVE |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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It is pretty questionable whether intensive development applied to a handful of tightly-defined OD classes actually has that much effect on the sport as a whole. AC is different since 12M and IACC boats are development classes, not ODs. Edited by Stefan Lloyd |
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Tornado_ALIVE ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Nov 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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Hi Stefan, A good example is the Torando's adoption of the new rig and how it has influenced new and previous design spinnaker boats especialy when it comes to layout, system used in the jibs and spinnaker retrieval, influences in rig settings and mast rakes, sail cuts (particularly spinnaker), sail material, ropes / lines as well as techniques in down wind sailing across different ranges. The other boats may or may not get there eventually, but the Tornado realy streamlined the development in these other classes, producing boats that were not only faster but more user freindly and higher quality. You can not beat full time profesion research / development. There is still a lot of development in OD classes that are not bound by single manufacturer. There is still even development in sailing styles in SMOD. Edited by Tornado_ALIVE |
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Bumble ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 05 Location: Taiwan Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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I love the look of the Volvo format, but the Olympics cannot accomodate that level of sponsor satifaction and as mentioned before detracts from truely great events such as by parading as the summit of sporting achievement - which it is cos you say it is.... right? |
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Prince Buster ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 15 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1146 |
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international moth - "what what?"
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