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    Posted: 10 Feb 06 at 6:33pm
oops, posted that one before reading the other posts, re: no 49er!
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Surely the 49er must be on any wish list, especially if the 29er is to be included. There's no mens doublehander which the 49er is perfect for
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Originally posted by mike ellis

Originally posted by Harry44981!

If we were to review all the classes this is what I'd choose ... (ones in bold are my additions to Rick's opinions)

1 Mens single - Laser (50 boats- top 30 qualifiying nations send 1 competitor, and 20 are left open)
2 Womens single - Laser Radial (with carbon top mast to lower competitve weight) (50 boats- top 30 qualifiying nations send 1 competitor, and 20 are left open)
3 Open single - MPS/RS700 (50 boats- top 30 qualifiying nations send 1 competitor, and 20 are left open)
4 Womens double - 29xx (25 boats top 15 nations, plus 10 open)
6 Multihull - Tornado Sport (25 boats top 15 nations, plus 10 open)
7 Keelboat - Laser SB3 (could have mixed crew and replaces Yngling & Star) (16 boats, 10 top nations, plus 6 open)

...and because I think there should be at least 1 conventional spinny boat, for the time being:

8 Open double - Fireball (25 boats top 15 nations, plus 10 open)


 

what happened to mens double? and i think it should be like that apart from the need for more cats. especialy if you want it to be "exciting". i am not a cat sailor so i have no prejudices here but cats do go faster. however i am against the sport being changed for tv. SAILING WILL NEVER BE A GOOD SPECTATOR SPORT FOR NON SAILORS and its not even that good to watch as a sailor but maybe thats because im impatient. finally i wish people luck in trying to ecplain to non sailors how exciting sailing realy is.

Accidentaly missed off the Men's double, I think it should be the 49er.

I disagree with more, cats, they are less tippy (side to side anyway), and to the viewer i doubt the sensatin of speed will be all that different.
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Originally posted by Harry44981!

If we were to review all the classes this is what I'd choose ... (ones in bold are my additions to Rick's opinions)

1 Mens single - Laser (50 boats- top 30 qualifiying nations send 1 competitor, and 20 are left open)
2 Womens single - Laser Radial (with carbon top mast to lower competitve weight) (50 boats- top 30 qualifiying nations send 1 competitor, and 20 are left open)
3 Open single - MPS/RS700 (50 boats- top 30 qualifiying nations send 1 competitor, and 20 are left open)
4 Womens double - 29xx (25 boats top 15 nations, plus 10 open)
6 Multihull - Tornado Sport (25 boats top 15 nations, plus 10 open)
7 Keelboat - Laser SB3 (could have mixed crew and replaces Yngling & Star) (16 boats, 10 top nations, plus 6 open)

...and because I think there should be at least 1 conventional spinny boat, for the time being:

8 Open double - Fireball (25 boats top 15 nations, plus 10 open)


 

what happened to mens double? and i think it should be like that apart from the need for more cats. especialy if you want it to be "exciting". i am not a cat sailor so i have no prejudices here but cats do go faster. however i am against the sport being changed for tv. SAILING WILL NEVER BE A GOOD SPECTATOR SPORT FOR NON SAILORS and its not even that good to watch as a sailor but maybe thats because im impatient. finally i wish people luck in trying to ecplain to non sailors how exciting sailing realy is.
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If we were to review all the classes this is what I'd choose ... (ones in bold are my additions to Rick's opinions)

1 Mens single - Laser (50 boats- top 30 qualifiying nations send 1 competitor, and 20 are left open)
2 Womens single - Laser Radial (with carbon top mast to lower competitve weight) (50 boats- top 30 qualifiying nations send 1 competitor, and 20 are left open)
3 Open single - MPS/RS700 (50 boats- top 30 qualifiying nations send 1 competitor, and 20 are left open)
4 Womens double - 29xx (25 boats top 15 nations, plus 10 open)
6 Multihull - Tornado Sport (25 boats top 15 nations, plus 10 open)
7 Keelboat - Laser SB3 (could have mixed crew and replaces Yngling & Star) (16 boats, 10 top nations, plus 6 open)

...and because I think there should be at least 1 conventional spinny boat, for the time being:

8 Open double - Fireball (25 boats top 15 nations, plus 10 open)


 
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My post was in response to this question:

Originally posted by Chris 249

......It was a decade or more ago, but it was interesting that those full-time fully pro fully televised campaigners couldn't get predictable spars from their custom builders. Is there any proof that SMOD gear has wider tolerances than non-SMOD gear?
I was too lazy to make a quote and unaware that taking 1 min to type a post represents 4 new post being placed in this high flying, hot paced cauldron of debate about 'OLYMPICS'. It is great to know we are so keen to keep the posts on topic.... a concern raised by Rick last year in the 'do we need a moderator' thread. The consistency of Laser masts was a discussed subject at the ISAF meeting when (I forget there are so many) the Laser was up for selection. I feel it is a relevant now as ever if racing is going to be equal and 'fair' - in the OLYMPICs. 
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Originally posted by rich96

But we're talking about the Olympics - what choice of kit do the Laser sailors get when they arrive ? .Probably very little.

Well pardon me all over.
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Originally posted by Bumble

With reference to the issue of Laser mast variations:

I wouldn't suspect there is any proof, but lack of evidence does not mean it is any more true than it isn't....... my wife didn't see me eat the cake from the fridge - that doesn't constitute proof that I couldn't have, or that I did.

I think people find it all a bit likely because, as sure as I like cake, if you were a world champ sailor who earned alot of spondoolies from your career and you had just won a big event in a SMOD 99 out of 100 of you out there would definately say your kit is 'just the same as everyone elses'....... in other words - the race was fair, you won it fair and square, good old sport and all that Jazz. Ben is a pro..... what do you expect from him?

But we're talking about the Olympics - what choice of kit do the Laser sailors get when they arrive ? .Probably very little.
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With reference to the issue of Laser mast variations:

I wouldn't suspect there is any proof, but lack of evidence does not mean it is any more true than it isn't....... my wife didn't see me eat the cake from the fridge - that doesn't constitute proof that I couldn't have, or that I did.

I think people find it all a bit likely because, as sure as I like cake, if you were a world champ sailor who earned alot of spondoolies from your career and you had just won a big event in a SMOD 99 out of 100 of you out there would definately say your kit is 'just the same as everyone elses'....... in other words - the race was fair, you won it fair and square, good old sport and all that Jazz. Ben is a pro..... what do you expect from him?



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Originally posted by Chris 249

Just curious; when people from non-SMODs say things alike "there's almost certainly less variation in the gear used by top Finn
sailors than in Laser masts or hulls produced by different regional
manufacturers in that class", can you provide any proof of that?


Chris 249. You raise a fair point, and I admit that I did overstate this. I heard this from others, but I don't actually have personal knowledge of it. So my apologies.

Rick. The quotations around "obvious" weren't to quote you, but rather my impression of your views expressed on this forum over a relatively long period. Again, sorry.

Anyway, thanks for the interesting and civilized discussion. Bye.

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