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    Posted: 09 Feb 06 at 5:38pm
The 29er XX is in it's developement stages at the moment but soon there should be one design versions coming out as the class grows. I think they're just in the testing phase currently and making slight adjustments. When it is produced to the puiblic it should be just as 'developent' as the 49er.
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Personally I think that the yngling should make way for the 29erXX or similar highperformnce boat for women/ mixed crews. What could be more boring than watching these tuibby boats dawdling around the course (apart from watching cricket), to the non-sailor.
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skiffs look great to us sailors because we understand what its like to go downwind. trying to explain this to the majority of my year at school is like a friend of mine trying to explain the joys of golf to me. i can show people pictures, i can try to describe it, i can shout at them about how much fun it is until im blue. but however hard i try they dont get it. so give up on trying to make sailing a spectator sport and think about the sailors. and i totaly agree with the point about lasers. they may not always look as exciting as an mps or 49er but they are great as an olypic class because of their strict one design-ness. sailing is never going to be a very succesful spectator sport so get rid of that stupid scoring system before it ruins an olypics.
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Sailing would be better off not being in the olympics at all. This would mean that people will sail boats that they actually like  and some of these old classes would not be around any more..

  To decide class's and race foremate  just to suit TV makes the olympics a waist of time as you dont get all the best sailors in the world sailing the best boats in the world. And example of this could be one 470 world title the top 10 were full of 7 New Zealanders but only one went.So the silver and Bronze winners at those olympics where not really the best in the world.

 Worlds Titles have more recogition than Olympics. Sailing would be better off not in the olympics at all!

Firstly, to make the Olympics you have to be the top team for your country over the Qualifing period ( up to 4 years).....  That is a measure of consistancy, not a potential one off brilliance if you win a Worlds.  Then you will race against the best of other countries that are consistantly good performers and not one shot specials.  This will be 4 years of dedication, putting your carrier, relationships, life on hold for this one in 4 year event.

There is no doupting the importance of an Olympic Campaign.

The Olympics also gives sailing that little bit more exposure to the general public which can not be a bad thing.

National Bodies both sporting and government give $$$$ for Olympic success.  If sailing is not in the Olympics, then these $$$$ go to another sport.

These $$$$ goes into facilities, assisting in financing the running of our National and state yachting bodies, research and develpment in boats, sails, rigs, hardware, systems, sailing techneques at a FULLY PROFESIONAL level.  This in turn trickles down to non Olympic classes and sailors benifiting the whole sport.

Those who are closed minded will not see how important and how much to offer, Olympic competition is to the general yachting comunity.

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Sailing would be better off not being in the olympics at all.

It absolutley $hits me to tears every time I here this comment and makes me realise how ill informed, closed minded and just plain greedy some people are.

I say greedy because those who make this comment only care about how it directly effects THEM in the imediate short term and is not appreciative of the long term direct and indirect gains our sport gets from an Olympic Games.

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Not sure why you cant handle some one saying that saying that sailnig would be better off not in the olympics.I campaigned for mmm 6-7 years in a Laser and I loved every minute of it. The world titles (5 in total) that I did were fantastic. How ever after watching the racing in the last few olympics , compared to the world titles the  Olympics do not hold a much inportance as a world title.

Sure the sport does have a lot of plus's being in the Olympics, in regards to funding , coaching, etc I should know I am a coach, I own a sailing school etc, how ever the weight that is put to the importance of a Olympic medal which is easier to get than a world title is not right.Its harder to win a world title than a olympic medal

 It may take 4 years to campaign to even get to the olympics sure thats a given. However you are not racing against the total best in the world. Many countries UK included have a handful of sailors in each class that could on any given day win a medal, but only one from each country goes. 

 Where as other sports have maybe 3 reps per event, so yes you are competing against the best.

If sailng was not olympic then you would find that the level of sailing in most classes would increase as you dont have 6 people going for the 1 spot and they move to a class that is much more fun to sail.

 I race a FD and that class was Olympic and now it is a class that has great racing with still good numbers at a world title. Once I said FDs should be Olympis, I think I was wrong. The class does not need it , its great how it is 

 

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I agree that worlds are more important. Even if it is an annual event it still doesn't mean just anyone can turn up with a years practice and win, it still takes many years to be able to get on the podium.

However, how can you justify that our sport would be better off if it weren't in the olympics?! Surely the world-wide popularity of sailing would be a fraction of what it actually is??



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Being in the olympics is not why sailing is popular.If any thing if a class is in the olympics most people would stear clear of it as the enjoyment of pure racing goes. Pretty much every Olymipc class boat regatta when you go to them the people do 3 races a day  then go home and sleep , no social no nothing. Take Keil week for example. During the international classes part there are kegs of beer in the boat park and most classes hang around and enjoy them selves.

 I think I can justify it by saying that when I race I like to race against the best. I like to race boats that are Fun and/or interesting to sail.MOst kids that start sailig in Opties like going to worlds titles because there are 200+ boats there.The only reason that they go on to do Olympic campaigns is because they think that is the be all and end all.Of those 200+ optie sailors there are maybe 1 or 2 that go on to olympic level, with the rest sailing other classes .

 If sailing was not in the olympics you would have the best sailors sailig  modern boats and in may cases classes that they would prefer to sail .I know that my helm and I have considerd doing another Olympic campagain.TO do that we looked at the type of boats we could sail.THe Fin (no way) the Laser (boring), the 470 (we are not migets and we like to have a beer most days) Yingling (wrong sex),tornado (maybe),Star (well about the only boat that is interesting if only because like the laser at world level it is harder than the olympics).

 I think that every athlete needs stimulation and if you have somthing that they can aspire to that pushes them ,then thats great. But with or with out the olympics sailing would be no worse off not being in the olympics as people at world level still need coaching, support and Funding. THe ISAF games would be bigger etc etc. It would do no harm not to be in the olympics

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Originally posted by Roland Butter

I agree that worlds are more important. Even if it is an annual event it still doesn't mean just anyone can turn up with a years practice and win, it still takes many years to be able to get on the podium.

However, how can you justify that our sport would be better off if it weren't in the olympics?! Surely the world-wide popularity of sailing would be a fraction of what it actually is??

There are many classes that if you train the house down for a year yo ucan turn up and do the worlds. You all will be coming to the 29er/49 worlds here in Sydney in a few years time. No doubt I will train for  a year and then do that event, why because it will be fun! 

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If you're going to sell a sport on the basis of its excitement, then it better be damn exciting, because you're going to be competing with true extreme sports for a half-hour space-filling spot on ESPN.

I'm sorry but I think the "excitement" difference between a Finn race and an MPS race, in typical Olympic conditions, is so very small compared to the difference between an MPS race and tow-in surfing as to be almost non existent to the average punter or TV exec.

In fact, watch the individual races on the video of the Athens Olympics. Of all the classes (not considering the Finn because of my bias) I honestly think the 470 men's race in a big breeze actually looks the most exciting, and certainly looks most like a test of the athletes. Maybe it's because the 470s are more directly affected by the waves and don't just skim over or through them.

The problem is that if you push excitment to the average Joe and fail, then you're just left with pretty pictures of colourful boats, and that is death.

But what about the alternative; really drawing the punters into the race, the contest, the experiences of the sailors themselves? After all, the drama that makes all successful Olympic events great comes from the competitors and the competition, not from any whizz bang equipment. If you want thrilling equipment to be the star, then go for monster trucks.

Think of the difference between road cycling and BMX, both variations on the same theme. The latter is far more visually exciting. The former can capture and maintain an audience of 100s of millions for weeks on end.

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Originally posted by Roland Butter

However, how can you justify that our sport would be better off if it weren't in the olympics?! Surely the world-wide popularity of sailing would be a fraction of what it actually is??

You think the majority of people started sailing because, once every four years, they see a few seconds of sailing on the TV? I rather doubt that is the case. Personally I learned to sail because I've been fascinated by boats and the sea for as long as I can remember.

Actually I suspect that the most common reason by far that people start to sail is because their parents do so.

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