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combat wombat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 345 |
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Bob, the heating fuel you refer to is not LPG, it is basically
diesel. LPG needs to be kept under high pressure in order for it
to be liquid. Otherwise you would need a monumental tank in order
to keep enough gas for acceptable ranges. Hence the reason why
you need special fillers and tanks, and the LPG must be kept
underground (regulations move fast in the UK, usually due to the EU)
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Phat Bouy ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 168 |
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VAT can only be reclaimed if you are a based on the coast and use the fuel on the sea. Similarly, red diesel can only be used recreationaly on the sea. AFAIK, farmers with very few exceptions (I stand to be corrected) may use RD legally away form the sea.
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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That's right; farmers and fishermen. And by an amazing coincidence, lots of MPs own agricultural land. |
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Bumble ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 05 Location: Taiwan Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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Hang on min..... £5000 on fuel. Have you checked nobody is nicking it, fiddleing your bill etc. That is crazy. When you say a fleet do you need a 'fleet/armada' of motors on the lake to enable sail powered boats to race. I don't believe its true, but if it is, the easiest way to save money is not run your power craft so much. Look a simple ways to reduce the mileage......: such a counting the mileage, and then making people accountable for it. Ensuring people who always need rescue help, can self rescue so they don't need it. Getting the rescue crew to moor and then use binoculars to spot trouble. Your on a lake so use an existing buoy as ODM, or none at all with plenty of port bias. Then count the finishers from the shore. Prevention is cure, but you need to make your club aware, most people don't put that much in their 200hp daily used cars. |
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Phat Bouy ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 168 |
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Yeah, but they've got those Avon Seariders. They have a flooding hull to stabilise them at rest so when you take off, you have to shift the water out before you can get onto the plane. It takes at least 2s plus a bucket load of fuel just to do that. That's each and every time and if you have several - it doesn't bare thinking about
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BBSCFaithfull ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1251 |
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You can't beat an Avon Searider!! They sink when stopped to give better stability i.e. great for rescue/teaching and empty when you give it some stick so they handle like a go cart and perform like a beast! The one at our club is a speed demon when you are the only person in it
![]() Phat Buoy have you tried trimming the engine out to push the water out and when you feel the boat going over the hump and onto the plain quicly trimming it in again?? It is a lot quicker but be carefull to avoid to much trim and cause cavitation. |
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Phat Bouy ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 168 |
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I try and avoid the Avons; too wet and heavy when at slow speeds. This changing weight (mass) of the boat seriously affects handling characteristics especially when you slow down and the hull floods. Unless you are very used to this, it is easy to plough into the victim you are trying to help.
![]() ![]() Another problem with them is that when they are trying to plane and the "nose is up", you can't see any swimmers or other obstructions in the water until the nose comes down ![]() The Tornado or Humber RIBs are my prefered weapon of choice with a 50HP on the back - they go like scalded cats and get onto the plane at once. ![]() This brings me seamlessly back on topic by adding - How much weight will you add by converting to LPG and the associated tanks etc.. and how will this affect performance?? |
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zarniwhoop ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 05 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
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zarniwhoop ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 05 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
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Hi combat wombat, sorry to contradict you on so many points LPG (liquefied petroleum gas) is not expensive to keep, does not require underground storage, it is kept under pressure though. Any of the bulk gas suppliers (Flogas, Countrywide, Calor and many more) will be pleased to supply a bulk tank of maybe 1000 litres capacity for a nominal annual rental dependant on gas usage. Portable tanks do exist, although it would be daft to buy the LPG from a road fuel supplier and pay 47p/lt duty on it, when as a lake user you don’t need to pay duty at all, and only 5% VAT Domestic heating is regularly achieved using either diesel (heating oil) or LPG (propane) but the boilers and plumbing are quite different for each option. Your figures for power and fuel consumption are way off too. Power is not affected so long as the conversion fuel metering hardware does not compromise air flow into the engine, many do. LPG is of a higher octane value than petrol. LPG has a marginally lower calorific value than petrol, but try measuring that on a boat! Consumption using LPG is increased by as much as 25%, but this only means that you would reduce your range by that amount, and the benefit in cost of 30p/lt against petrol at 95p/lt is a bit obvious, (ok petrol is about 80p/lt if you get the VAT back) Hmmm. All that aside… LPG is the fuel of choice for many ski lakes in their V8 chevy powered tow boats, and I recon if they suffered significant power losses they might not use it!
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zarniwhoop ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 05 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
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OH yes... and you do not need two tanks, a petrol engine will start and run just fine on LPG, (maybe you are thinking of petrol/paraffin which was fitted to Massey Ferguson tractors in around 1940)
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