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Bumble ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 05 Location: Taiwan Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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Sorry chaps/ladies..... that was a bit SMOD vs. Development wasn't it. You may all smack my botty.
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Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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How do the 9ers get away with using a compression vang then? Genuine question, not being sarky!
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Actually when I did some adding up of the Y&Y numbers who've been attending Champs over the last ten years in another thread it looked as if the reason that we have more people attending Champs now than ten years ago is not because the entries for different classes have got bigger - they haven't - but because there are now more active classes. Rather to my surprise (and contrary to my prejudices) that suggests that the SMOD revolution has in fact grown the sport. When you think about it there are two ways for numbers to increase. One is for more people to start sailing, and the other is for people to say actively sailing for longer. To take your point on "'for those who can sail' classes", they need not just take numbers from people who otherwise would sail other classes, but also take numbers from people who would otherwise have given up sailing. Take me, I've given up two handed boats because there is no longer a two handed boat I want to sail at a reasonable level. OK, I'm sailing a singlehander, but I'm a p**sp**r helm and probably won't bother to do a Championships in it. Now if there suddenly appeared on the market a two hander that I wanted to sail seriously, I'd probably buy one and the market for two handers would have increased by one boat. So would there be any fewer sailors racing now if there had never been any RS Classes? I think the answer is a probable "yes, there would have been fewer active sailors". Edited by JimC |
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Offshoretiger ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 05 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 179 |
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I quiet like the RS/Microsoft comparisons. Both companys are very good at what they do and both sets of customers inslude groups who can see weaknesses in the one size fits all approach. I think RS probably have done a lot of good for UK sailing, they produce some relativley cheap, resonably high performance boats that have a fairly broad range of appeal. At the same time they will never really appeal to the type of sailors who enjoy playing with tuning and systems and ideas almost as much as they enjoy sailing. I gess the main concern of the sailors in these classes is that the bigger the RS range gets, the fewer opportunitys there will be to play with non-RS toys. A few classes will have a high enough existing profile to be reasonable accessable (kind of like Apple) while the rest will get to a point where you only know about them if you are very intrested/lucky/geeky (like Linux) So how you feel overall about RS probably depends which of those groups the classes you sail fall into..... |
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...yesterday I couldnt spell enginner...now I are one!......
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phantom_iv ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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Much as I like the idea of a comparison, I can't accept RS==MS. I'd
be tempted to nominate Laser for that role, with the majority of their
income coming from one very successful, almost ubiquitous product (cf
Office), thier dumbing down of good ideas (Laser 2/3000?) e.t.c. RS I feel have more of a dedication to produce very good products,
unlike a certain software giant's contiunal, ruthless persuit of a
quick buck. |
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Bumble ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 05 Location: Taiwan Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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I would like to retract that comment, as I have no evidence to back it up. A quick search has shown a number of uses for the word gnav, and beside from being unable to patent a generic word, there is also nothing to point to laser's use as I stated. I appologise if I a wrong for smearing the Laser centre, unreservedly. I do, naturally stand by my original post on all other grounds, gawping and the way SMOD's steal developments given to the world for free. On this basis, I think RS et al have great comparisons with Bill Gates and Microsoft. While nobody can deny microsoft have changed computing, for better or otherwise, their products are using technologies they did not invent, marketed and aimed to deny anyother manufacturers from making the same product with the same use. As I am using this microsoft product to moan to you all, you all endorse the same product by reading it. The more of you race RS boats, the more of you will benifit from buying their products. Further, RS have been defended for the great after sales service they offer, but this is also a great parellel with Microsoft. The investment in after sales is a way of ensuring people stay with the product, endorsing it further and maintaining market share. The dinghy world, like the computer world, will benifit from as much variety, and competition as the manufacturers can muster....... its a sad reflection that in the fast moving world of PCs that is no longer an option. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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Or that a higher proportion of sailors are going to Nationals, which is I suspect more likely. Or that an increasing number of sailors go to multiple championships, which a fair number now do. If the sport had grown, clubs ought to have more members. I've never seen any UK consolidated figures on sailing club memberships but most clubs I know of complain of declining membership (and yes, I know Chew has a waiting list: exception not rule). The report McKinsey produced for the RYA a few years ago concluded that sailing participation was in marked decline. How precisely they came to that conclusion I cannot remember and the report no longer seems to be available. However McKinsey tend to get their numbers right. So I suspect your prejudices were right all along. |
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Bumble ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 05 Location: Taiwan Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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In my area (the north) I feel things are slightly (very slightly) on the up in terms of members numbers. Its worth noting clubs will always complain of no numbers till they have a waiting list. This upness is only after such a massive decline though, that some clubs nearly or actually folded. We are yet to be in postion of refering to dinghy and small keelboat sailing as healthy. |
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Living in a box ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 02 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10 |
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Just don't get that one... I've found the "other club" to offer superior sailing conditions, and a more friendly reception. (My opinion might not reflect general consensus ![]() |
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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And there was I thinking you were in Taiwan!?
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