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    Posted: 01 Feb 06 at 3:13pm

To answer the original question/post:

Originally posted by combat wombat

I think that RS have irrepairably damaged many classes in the UK with their range of boats and trend for bringing out a boat that in many cases has already been done

I ask the question, would there be any more sailors racing now had there never been any RS boats? The answer is a definate no, they are 'for those who can sail' classes. That being the case, obviously sailors who sail them would have otherwise been in other existing classes (you might say traditional classes). Whether that constitutes 'irrepairable damage' for 'many classes' is very much up to them, and how they respond to the competition.
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Originally posted by Bumble

Please Oh great forum users. Lets not have ourselves another mindless SMOD vs. development classes tit for tat. Its been done, goes nowhere and cannot possibly answer any more questions than have already been archived.

Here here!

I think we are nearly all agreed that anyone who thinks LDC/RS is killing sailing is a the kind of person who listens to Rage Against the Machine and thinks Bill Gates is the devil incarnate. 

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sorry Stefan Lloyd i ment to mention them as well.  the solo is a nice boat but imagene how many people would be sailing them without the laser
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oh come on that is not called for. Rage Against the Machine are ok and bill gates is a genius. 

It is all just a bit of healty smod bashing.

need to be done or they would take over
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Regarding the 600 and Contender comparison, I think it would be fair to say that at the time of the 600s release it offered a significant development. For starters it has a carbon mast which the contender has only introduced within the last 5 years. A powerful fully battened main, and the choice of wide or narrow racks. Each boat is virtually identical, thus ensuring true one design racing (lets not discuss the advantages/disadvantages). 

In short it is a more extreme singlehander. With all the new extreme classes coming out, it is harder to put into context its relevance today, but it still remains a fast, challenging and enjoyable boat to sail. I would also hazard a guess that the contender is significantly easier to sail, so maybe less rewarding?
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Originally posted by olly_love

 Rage Against the Machine are ok 

As someone who has had to endure his housemates 'Raging' at four in the morning, I have to disagree.  I'm not sure I can ever believe anything you say again.

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I like Rage Against the Machine, but always thought Bill Gates WAS the Devil
Incarnate. Give me Steve Jobs any day...
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i have had to endure the rage against the machine at four as well i can see your point . 

 
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Originally posted by olly_love

sorry Stefan Lloyd i ment to mention them as well.  the solo is a nice boat but imagene how many people would be sailing them without the laser

More, probably. Don't forget the Solo was around long before the Laser.
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Originally posted by Chew my RS

...... Rage Against the Machine and thinks Bill Gates is the devil incarnate.... 

Bill Gates may not be the Devil, but he certainly represents the corporate face of relentless greed by the use of the patent laws. This is the very issue with which the inclusion of well run, business orientated corporations to the dinghy market causes concern.

The example that springs to mind isn't from the RS camp but Laser's successful patenting of a vanging device using a strut and pulley. I've seen this many times over the past 40 years and Im sure the diggers out there can find evidence from further back of its use....... but they have the audacity to patent it as the Gnav as if they thought of it.

With all the SMOD's- they steal technologies, developed at high expense by talented non profit orientated classes, and then sell those technologies as their own for massive margins.

The balance is in a good state now as the development classes keep bringing up new things to keep themselves ahead, but I only hope LDC et al don't get too big from the work of others and stagnate the development.
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