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    Posted: 22 Nov 04 at 9:39pm
and redback, i have sailed, in a wayfarer world, which was quite fun, while practising rudderless-which i suck at- i could jump up and down on the gunwales without a trapeze, great fun! but none of my sailing really counts since it is mostly just showing level ones how to tack and stuff, i sail so much at the centre that the staff just treat me as a peice of the furniture there.
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Originally posted by Brian

from what i know, the 29er is a TWO person boat. not
a musto skiff!
  by this i meant that in a 29er i would not have to be doing everything, i was merely using the Musto skiff as an example of what i definitely would not be able to sail. the signature referal was to let u all know that i dont care how badly i would be able to sail it, i am so stupidly obsessed with 29ers that i wouldnt give a damn.

oh dear, so sorry about the lack of courtesy and restraint old chaps, would u really prefer it if all i did was say, "bang on old bean my view exactly" it is annoying people like me that create tension and heated argument, producing interest in the forum.

aside from my attitude problem, thanks for all the advice about getting a boat and stuff.

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Brian I want to apologise - I didn't want to stir all this up.  What I was trying to say is that there are some skills in sailing which help you win races and if you a wrestlng with a difficult boat you might never notice some important principals.  Also its more fun to be blasting around in strong winds than it is to be upside down with broken gear because you've gone out in a boat which is beyond your experience.

Now you may be able to handle a 29er for all I know but there is much to learn about sailing in lesser craft and lesser craft can be cheaper which means you stand more chance of getting on the water sooner - and there is nothing better than getting on the water to improve your skills.

Can I give you an example?  I remember turning up at an inland club in my Laser in which I had become quite good at my sea sailing club.  I blasted away from the other Lasers at the start and pulled out a 3 or 4 boat length advantage near the windward mark.  We were lifted and immediately one of the boats tacked off - I was dismissive (and probably thought "silly old codger, he's tacked on a lift").  meanwhile the lift continued and I sailed a great big circle around the mark - he meanwhile tacked back, rounded the mark and was halfway down the next reach.  He had wiped out my 4 lengths advantage and created his own 15 length advantage.  I was concentrating on boat speed he was concentrating on wind. 

You don't learn about wind in boat speed type boats (like 29ers) you learn about wind in boats where perfomance is not everything (like Lasers, Toppers and Wayfarers).  To be good at sailing you have to be good at wind and boat speed.  Its important to learn about wind first otherwise you sail very fast in the wrong direction in your 29er.

Sailing is such a demanding sport you have to be so good at so many things.  Physically good, and brainy, its such a challenge and that's why, like you, I love it.  Forget the 29er, get sailing in anything - there is so much to learn.  The 29er can come later.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Harry44981! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 04 at 8:31pm
Brian whatever you do, dont dive straight into a 29er event before being very good in a training environment- which i'm sure you will be with your determination!!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bigwavedave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 04 at 8:01pm
I don't know where the Musto Skiff thing came from
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Brian

For some reason I also thought you hankered after a 29er?

If you're thinking Musto Skiff then on the basis of what you've posted I don't think you're anywhere near being able to sail one safely outside of a training environment and certainly not on open water without safety cover and plenty of uncongested room. Read the article in Y&Y to see how difficult Simon Hiscocks found it!

I could, of course be totally wrong! But if you're intending to be an instructor one day then some of the most important skills/ qualities are: being able to recognise and work within your own abilities; rig and sail well any boat normally used for training, which normally means you can rig virtually anything given time, sail competently and confidently in a non showy way; inspire confidence and be a good communicator.

Your very narrow focus on just fast singlehanders is not going to help you with many of the above!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote hurricane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 04 at 7:40pm

look brian alot of people think you have a attitude problem and people will start to get annoyed with this forum if u carry on as u are

please just use it like everyone else does !!!!!

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wave Rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 04 at 7:23pm

that seems helpful advise to me and you asked for it (well you must of done your on a forum) so why are you getting so argumentative and cross????

 

u must be mad forums are gd for advice!

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Why are you being so abusive?  There is a lot of advise available on this forum if you care to look.  You seem to have an attitude problem. You have a lot to learn. What has your signature got to do with your sailing ability or what type of boat you sail.   Sailors tend to be a friendly helpful bunch.  Are you sure you will fit in?
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i can look out for gusts when i am not sailing short handed! READ THE
DAMN SIGNATURE! from what i know, the 29er is a TWO person boat. not
a musto skiff!

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