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    Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 3:55am
Exactly what Les says, go get a 5k, you won't look back........... Brilliant boats and there is going to be a massive turn out at the nats this year!....(insider information )
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I'm not biased at all  but the 5000 is a great boat to sail and once you get it sorted it's also very rewarding I weigh about 86kgs and can right it on my own in most breezes (tho my helm who is quite a bit lighter can't )it just takes technique. Anyone interested I would say don't just try it once have a few goes the first wont give you what you expect unless you are a top sailor.It's very cheap to sail and run (unless you fall thro the main! ),and surprisingly there are quite a few still out there.Lastly enjoy them
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Originally posted by redback

I'd give anything for the 4000 to stay on its side.  It takes so long to right since unless you are very quick it inverts, and in shallow water its a real pain.  I sail in an esturay most of which is shallower than a 4000 mast.  Very early on in my ownership of the boat I nearly drowned when a control line caught on a buckle and dragged me under as the boat inverted!  It was close and it certainly didn't feel like a safety feature.

We always use a masthead float, not very cool, but I'd rather be sailing than trying to uninvert a 4k or 5k!

Sailing single handed I always use a masthead float as my Vago inverts very quickly with the kite in the water, safety first!
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Isis - I reckon it's better for the boat to drift away than for it to invert, as the chances of entrapment are much lower and I would guess there are few single handed skiffs sailing without safety boat cover if they do drift apart.
The 5000 isn't light which is a bit of a pain (plus the lightweights have the most weight to drag cos of the leads) but with 2 people it's not too bad. I'm a little over 11 stone and I was sailing with a heavier crew the other week and we really struggled to right her again. We've now been told to try and seal up the mastas much as possible to slow the rate water gets in at, I'll let you know how that goes! The 5000s are great though
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I'd give anything for the 4000 to stay on its side.  It takes so long to right since unless you are very quick it inverts, and in shallow water its a real pain.  I sail in an esturay most of which is shallower than a 4000 mast.  Very early on in my ownership of the boat I nearly drowned when a control line caught on a buckle and dragged me under as the boat inverted!  It was close and it certainly didn't feel like a safety feature.
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the national champs a few years ago in the 5000 weighed approx 11 stone each they sailed on max racks which is a long way out!!(13 holes i think) it took both of them to right the boat when they capsized but otherwise they handled it fine !!!
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surely that is just the oposite of a safety feature?

A lightweight skiff floating on its side will have a lot of windage and drift away from its crew (who may be quite dazed after being flung off the rack) at quite a rate. Im sure there has been a big discussion on this before (possibly during the tasar development) and it resulted in 'open' masts that would fill up to invert but drain just as quickly
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Originally posted by redback

Have you noticed the MPS seems very happy to lie on its side after a capsize - a real safety feature.

True - the carbon rig helps a lot ...
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My limited experience of the 49er and the 800 suggests they plane in 7 or 8 knots of wind and at a speed of about 5.  However its a very subjective thing because both boats have the sort of hull shape which goes smoothly from non-planning to planning - so there's no real transition.  They're not like Wayfarers you know.  Even the much lower performance 4000 has a very blurred transition (unless you're sitting to far aft).

I'll have to dig out my "High Performance Sailing" by Bethwaite - it'll be in there somewhere.

As for lightwieghts sailing 5000s I have to point out that unless the conditions are very favourable my 88kg is not enough to get a 4000 onto its side from total inversion.  Sailing it is easy enough though.

Have you noticed the MPS seems very happy to lie on its side after a capsize - a real safety feature.
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Originally posted by simsy

Although there are some cheap 800's floating around.

yer well if you like to spend alot to get them up to stratch.  there is a reason why they are cheap.

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