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    Posted: 10 Dec 05 at 2:54pm
you know, you might have a point.
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Good egg Rick bringing this thread back to the front. The selling feature of track racing is its in a velodrome..... everyone can see it all at once. Has anyone out there seen the team racing at Kirby, I heard it could be similar and therfore a good challenger to the likes of tracks biking???????

If it is, I vote for all olympic sailing to go out the window, and the into of 1 event...... team racing...... in scorpions!
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Just been watching the cycling world track championships ... and we are worried about our sport being confusing ...

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Originally posted by turnturtle

Do you think the final resolution is as bad as we initially thought?

It's turned out to be a bit of a storm in a teacup. Double points for the last race isn't really a huge change, although I hope it doesn't "trickle down" to grass-roots events.

I really stick with my comments about falling between two stools. I don't think that this will make sailing significantly more TV friendly, while it has still damaged the fairness of the event from a competitors perspective, although less than I had feared.
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Funnily enough I gave exactly the same link to wave rider!
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Hm......I think your teacher and textbook are well out of date. I believe the Olympics were opened to professionals in the 90s. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Games#Amateurism_and_pr ofessionalism

In any case, "shamateurism" has been widely practised to get around such restrictions. Atheletes were paid to do imaginary jobs while actually training and competing full-time.

You are not likely to win a sailing medal today without training full-time for several years. Unless you happen to have wealthy and indulgent parents, the money to live while doing so has to come from somewhere.

 



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In GCSE PE, we have been learning abut the amateurism and proffesionalism and my PE text book and teacher are adamant that you cannot nter the olympics of (in our case) sailing is your main source of income and it is your proffesion. I thought the whole 'greatness' of the olympics was that fact that it is 'amateurs' who enter and you don't get the David Beckham's ntering and winning every medal.

It must be a very very fine line between being a proffesional sailor and being an amateur, i don't understand how the ISAF decide if they want proffesionals entering becuase surely if the Olympic rule of 'only amateurs' has been abolished, the ISAF are blatently going to go for the most talented sailor and not the sailor who is amateur.

God knows if that made any sense, blame it on being 14. 
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Stefan,

My experience of the ISAF sailor classification is that it offers a universal system for deciding if a competitor is a professional sailor or not. It is up to classes and event organisers to decide whether they want full-time professional sailors competing. The classification is clear and does not vary from one event to another.

Surely this is better than the previous situation when, for instance, a delivery skipper could be banned from almost all competiotns whilst a sailmaker (probably sailing almost full time) was considered an amateur.

 

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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

 

I'm not 100% clear what you are arguing here but I'll respond anyway.

The Olympics does generate a large dollop of money for ISAF. To what extent this benefits the sport, I'm not so certain. When the ISAF used to be the IYRU, before it got Olympic loadsofmoney, it ran a tight ship, manned largely by a few volunteers. Now it's busy busy busy,...........blah blah etc 

This isn't something people like to talk about, I mean the sport needs an international body to represent it...... right?....... and most people think the IYRU is the ISAF and so alls good cos they have done lots of sterling work for the sport in the past. But since somebody else mentioned it..... I couldn't agree more.

The recent talks/discussions/call what you will all orientate around a pant crapping session on the realisation that the Olympic Loadsamoney is about to stop and the ISAF wouldn't have much to represent as sailors can pretty much look after themselves.

While the end of Olympic sailing will make me cry cos it used to be a great pinacle for a great sport, its demise will not kill the sport....... just the bollocks.

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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

[Would I be bothered if sailing exited from the Olympics, as well it might if Beijing turns out to be a windless shambles? Reluctantly, I'd have to answer yes.

Why reluctantly?
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