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Cheeky 
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 Topic: Olympic 'finals' proposalPosted: 14 Nov 05 at 11:22am |
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• Firefly
- was a single hander. so much for one design. (lol) • The Dragon - far more millionaires around now. • The Sharpie, active fleets in Norfolk and Holland - hardly a great Ad. • The FD worlds still get a fair few boats, - 10 boats at this years nationals. The Tempest (the ultimate heavyweight trapeze class) - 45 boats at the Worlds. compair that to the Fireballs. • And I am convinced that the Star would continue if they ever find an acceptable substitute - theres not enough aluminum left in the world to cope with the mast breakages (lol) • Apart from the Laser and the 470, none of the present boats were ever intended to be popular mass appeal boats. - 470 mass appeal? case in point. • It was Bob Fisher who said recently that sailing should not be shown live. Edited highlights are a much better way of presenting the sport. - yes with the current race format. • There are other sports in which nothing much happens for long periods... - tell that to a 49er crew! |
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elmo
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Posted: 14 Nov 05 at 11:47am |
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What will happen about Protests/damage?
If this race is worth double points AND is non-discardable competitors will be pushing to the limits. What do you say to the boat that gets holed on the start line, and therefore loses its medal? And on the water umpiring, this is going to cause far more unrest about some getting turns and others not, were they biased, etc etc,etc.. It all sounds liek a very bad idea. |
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hayres
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Posted: 14 Nov 05 at 11:56am |
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Now they have changed Olympic fleet racing when will isaf get the pressure onto the open 60's. You could race single handed around the world. And then the first three back could race around a triangle in port race to see who is the winner. It al seems weired and doesnt make a lot of sense.
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gordon
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Posted: 14 Nov 05 at 12:10pm |
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Elmo's concern's about the influence of rule breaking and umpiring are justified. The rules give no redress for the victims of an infringment if there is no damage, or action is taken under rule 2 or 69.1(b). There will still be requests for redress if a boat is holed (suffers damage). The fair sailing rule will be tested to the limit. My feeling is that the sport does not need an event which seems sure to produce a crop of Rule 69 disqualifications. Do we really want the majority of cases of gross misconduct to take place in the Olympic final in full view of the world TV audience. We will probably need an umpire boat per competitor - with 2 umpires and a supervisor per boat! We won't see the racing merely a melee of RIBS. A further point - the number of qualified umpires for fleet racing is exactly zero...as this function does not yet exist. The number of international judges in whom competitors have confidence to judge Rule 42 correctly is already limited. There will be some interesting moments in forthcoming events.
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Jamie
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Posted: 14 Nov 05 at 12:22pm |
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Yes we had 10 boats at our Nationals. But read what you quote. Our worlds did have a "fair few boats." 83 In Hungary this year, a fantastic event. 94 in Germany last time round.
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gordon
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Posted: 14 Nov 05 at 12:38pm |
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Cheeky... The Firefly still is a single-hander - there is an annual single-handed event and I believe that you can compete in all events as a nautical onanist - as long as you sail alone in all races Dragon - those who can afford it are sailing the ex-Olympic boat rather than other classes Sharpie - at least they have international events THe 470 was INTENDED as a popular boat - but then poor class management did little to protect the grass-root saolors Aluminium is re-cyclable - Stars can continue sailing using recycled metal from broken masts topped up with re-cycled beer cans (or vote for a carbon mast. FDs and Tempest - never popular in GB where sailing is increasingly seen as a sport for small competitors The crew may think a lot is happening on a 49er (I am sure cricketers think they are very busy) but for the spectator there is not a lot going on
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TonyL
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Posted: 14 Nov 05 at 2:13pm |
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Those of us who've been around a while and have seen several attempts
to make sailing more TV friendly have probably come to conclude that
sailing as a spectator sport doesn't work. Messing up the format of
Olympic sailing to try and meet the requirements of the idiot box is
IMHO a profound mistake. Enough said.
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Hector
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Posted: 14 Nov 05 at 2:26pm |
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As I dislike the act of not sailing the last race, I have said previously that I thought the idea of a non-discardable last race was a good one . I like this idea as well. According to the press release, so do the Olympic Classes representatives. Its easy to think of potential problems (that will probably not occur) or to pick fault (where little exists). If those who will be sailing to these rules are happy - let them get on with it. I look forward to watching 'the final' on the telly! |
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Harry44981!
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Posted: 14 Nov 05 at 2:30pm |
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"This format will apply to all test events and the 2008 Olympic Regatta (for all classes)." This is what bothers me, meven for most of us who don't sail olympic classes, and will never compete at the olympics, this format may seep into the major UK classes national regattas. |
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Hector
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Posted: 14 Nov 05 at 2:34pm |
Only if your class votes for it! Surely "for all classes" means "for all the Olympic classes |
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