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Presuming Ed ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 641 |
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If you look at the Olympic Programme Commission Report (here: http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_953.pdf ) you'll see that among the things the IOC is concerned with are a) how much of each sport federation's revenues come from the Olympics, b) how expensive are the sports to stage and c) what sort of media return is there? The IOC, quite reasonably, doesn't want to become a sport federation's cash cow, and then have to put on a hugely expensive sport that nobody wants to watch. A significant proportion - I believe that it's actually a majority - of ISAF's funding is from the olympics, and so, to a degree, they are beholden to the IOC to establish a format which agrees with the IOC's aims. Now, you may sat that all this proves is that sailing should get out of the olympics, and live on it's own feet. Personally, I feel that this is the wrong decision - first, there are many countries around the world where official support for sports is related to their olympic status - olympic sports get state support, non-olympic ones don't. Second, there are many sports trying to get in to the olympics because they understand the marketing potential. Getting out strikes me as cutting of your nose to spite your face. What I personally have come to believe they should do is acknowledge that sailing is not a great live broadcast sport. There are two ways to deal with broadcast media and sailing - a) an edited highlights programme and b) - which I believe is far more interesting - increasing exploitation of the internet, with a combination of internet broadcasting and virtual spectator type methods, using live GPS positioning. Edited by Presuming Ed |
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The proposal is about increasing media appeal - the classes sailed has a big impact on the media appeal. Just look what the 49er has done for Olympic Sailing. As for the cost of a campaign the class does have an impact on the costs - shipping a Star around the world is considerably more expensive than turning up with a sailing bag and renting a Laser. That is why for years Robert Shiedt(sp?) competed in th Laser; now hes won 3 medals he can attract sponsors. Coaching and living costs do contribute much of the cost but there can be no informed argument to say that a Star campaign is comparable with that of a Laser. SO ... media appeal and classes sailed are linked and so are the costs ... Rick |
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Cheeky ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 59 |
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The last Olympics had full race coverage of almost all the raceing. With the new use of interactive digital channels and the internet. I watched virtually all the racing on the web whilst working ( full races ). Frankly I don't have a problem with the new concept. As long as the pre finals regatta points weighting is correctly devised so the leading boat carries a fair avantage that has been gained into the Final. The Olympic ideal has always been more about physical ability, and having one chance to get it right. And this just ups the anti and means you'll get one balls out race at the end rather than a load of rules bo**ocks like sailing somebody out the back door to make the points stack up so you win. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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There's probably a difference between what it takes to put together a medal winning campaign and what it takes for a small country to put together a respectable mid fleet campaign. Plus of course a lot of countries buy into to the "its impossible to change classes" bit and thing that you have to have 100 Finns in the country to produce a finn champ and all the rest of it. |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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So Stefan, why did many of the poorer nations try to get the Radial in
to replace the Europe? Are the sailing federations and Olympic coaches
of these countries (the submissions were on the ISAF site) ignorant of
the real costs of Olympic sailing?
One of our Australian Olympians got (IIRC) $9000 for his Olympic campaign after winning the trials. He was in a cheap class so he could charter gear, fly to Europe and survive and get well inside the top 10 which would be a great result for most countries. Just about all his previous campaign had been very low budget local stuff I think. So you can get top 10 for very little money, even today, in the small strict OD classes. Exactly how far would his $9000 have gone if he had to buy a 49er or Soling and drag it around Europe, buy 3 or more sails instead of one, etc? |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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We are getting away from the subject again, since the proposal has nothing to do with classes. But let's deal with this cost question and look at the "expensive" keelboats. If I remember rightly, one Yngling team reckoned they needed to raise £250K for a 4-year campaign. So the cost of the boat would have been around 10% of that. Most of the rest is modest salaries for the competitors, coaches and other support team, travel and living costs at regattas all over the world. Or consider Paul Cayard who supposedly spent $1M of his own money on his last Star campaign. Again, the boat was a tiny fraction of that. International sailing at the top level is not cheap but the cost of the boat has very little to do with it. The cost is driven by the level of professionalism you now have to bring to the campaign and the fact that it is a full-time occupation, not only for the sailors but for the teams that surround them. Sail the Olympics in Toppers if you like but it will still cost a fortune to win. |
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I don't think live sailing will ever be interesting or broadcast (too long) so; the last race show down is a bit of a red herring due to the fact that coverage will be highlights anyway. So lets run a traditional series in a bunch of "cheap" exciting classes that creates the opportinity of good "thrills and spills" and opens the sport up to nations that don't have the same resources as GBR. The downside is we may win less medals. Rick |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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Half of us couldn't even pull one up the slipway. The Finn and Star are the oldest two boats and also the most physically demanding. I don't know if Fizzicist has ever wandered around a club when the Olympic classes are in town but last time I did, everyone looked frighteningly fit. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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Good point. If non-sailing people mention to me sailing they have seen on TV, it is usually that footage. |
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Philsy ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 344 |
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I stuggle to enjoy any sport on TV but it does appear that most people like
simple to understand sports, such as rowing - easy to see who's winning. And even that seems interesting compared to a 100m sprint which is about as appealing as a premature eqeculation - "And they're off... they've finished!" Maybe sailing does need 'sexing up'. Finns and Skiffs are hardly state of the art, are they? I wonder if this is aimed at the British - the French, for instance, enjoy sailing on TV. |
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