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    Posted: 25 Oct 05 at 6:08pm
ah yes well that clears that up a bit, thanks ian. glad to see i hadn't broken the law too much up to this point! 
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Tying the boat on is of course very important, getting the correct weight capacity of trailer to boat is important and issues of speed and whether or not the trailer tows safely at speed is important, but I would still reitterate my original query which was 'why is is that we have hundreds of trailers out there with suspension which is not deflecting when the trailer hits bumps?'

If the suspension is not 'suspending' then you might just as well dispense with it and have a solid axle - has anyone thought of designing a car like this? No. so why have trailers that effectively have no springing either? Sorry folks but this is the real issue as far as I am concerned and I would be grateful to hear from someone who knows of a decent suspension unit which really does what its supposed to -

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The 250kg axle load idespension units are actually very soft - they can be very easily moved by hand. But the other problem you have is that the standard trailer wheels are just too small so they drop fully into the potholes and give a forwards / backwards shock which no suspension can deal with. If you put bigger wheels on this makes a huge difference as the wheel itself is able to bridge the deepest bit of the pothole.
With big wheels and a relatively heavy (double) trailer I don't have any problems with it damaging the boat or crashing around excessively, and I reckon I've put 15-20000 miles on it in the last two years since I bought it.
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Not to derail this thread but while we are on the subject of towing what is the law on lighting?

I read somewhere that if you car's light are visible while towing you don't need any on the boat. I can't be arsed to install all the electrical stuff into my car or buy a lighting board. Can anyone confirm this?  I haven't ben pulled over so far...

Back onto topic. Despite the fact the suspension doesn't deflect when the boat is on it or you jump on it doesn't mean it doesn't do anything.

F = ma

So you will get a very high force if the magnitude of the acceleration is very large, which is what happens when you hit a big bump or hole in the road. The force will be enough to make the suspension deflect and save the boat from damage and is likley to be greater than you jumping up an down on it.

There are problems with oscillations occuring at high speeds with a softer suspension and no damping.



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You will be! Even an empty trailer should have a lighting board, though I confess that unless I'm going along way I don't tend to, though I put it in the car to be able to say "sorry officer, right away officer" and hope to be let off...
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Originally posted by m_liddell

I read somewhere that if you car's light are visible while towing you don't need any on the boat. I can't be arsed to install all the electrical stuff into my car or buy a lighting board. Can anyone confirm this?  I haven't ben pulled over so far...

Not sure what boat you sail but just visualise for a second another car dissapearing through the transom of your boat (accompanying sound of splintering wood/carbon/foam...delete as appropriate) and all the fun you will have with your insurance company not buying you a new boat and the third party deciding "where there's blame there's a claim" for inadequate lighting, plus all the great spectating you'll be able to do at your club for a few months!

Really not wishing to get up on my soapbox, but I've seen a Mirror that got rear-ended, not pretty at all, and it really is dead easy to wire in trailer electrics, get yourself a plug kit and scotch-locks from Halfords, refer to your car wiring diagram (Haynes manual or similar) and you'll be done in 30 minutes.  There's even a huge amount of info available on the net for this stuff, or even pop to a breakers yard and see if there is a car like yours with the kit wired in, just chop the wiring loom out and match it one wire at a time to your motor.

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PS Sorry for slightly hijacking thread, back to the point, is anyone producing air suspension units for trailers yet? Now there's an idea...
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Originally posted by Iain C

PS Sorry for slightly hijacking thread, back to the point, is anyone producing air suspension units for trailers yet? Now there's an idea...

Air suspension is great but if you are towing it with a standard car not a Volvo FH16 truck.... where are you going to get the to resupply the air bags/tanks. Light versions of air bags are available down here but need an CONSTANT air supply to run it.

For my 12 footer trailer the suspension is as follows

  1. 4 leaf 45 x 8mm eye to eye springs
  2. 40mm solid axle fitted with HT Holden bearings
  3. 14" Ford Falcon pattern wheels
  4. 185/14x8ply light truck tyres

For the people who don't know what I'm talking about.

Eye to eye means a bolt at each end of the spring with a couple of (shackle)plates on one end. These springs ARE tunable for ride characteristics, IE soft or FIRM.

the axle is the biggest light trailer axle available and more than up to the job. It will carry 1200kgs with this bearing combination which is very common in Australia

The rims and tyres are LARGE this is for the following

  1. owning a couple of Ford Falcons used for towing I have 2 spares for going away 1 for the trailer and 1 for the car and are interchangeable
  2. as someone mentioned earlier larger tyres handle bumps/potholes better
  3. for long trips (I mean here anything over 1 hour up to 14-16 hours driving) the wheel bearing do LESS rotations than on a smaller wheel for the same road speed, therefore running COOLER and less likely to fail. (this however doesn't stop them failing, maintenance is still required)
  4. makes the center of gravity over your trailer lower for better stability and th e track width wider for the same.

As for not running your trailer without lights, I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR YOU IF YOUR BOAT GETS WRITTEN OFF FOR SUCH A SIMPLE THING. Next time you are driving at night have a look for a car or trailer with ineffective lights and good lights and YOU work out which you would rather be behind.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Skiffe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 05 at 3:09pm
Something I forgot, the total weight of your trailer is not taken by the wheels of you car, some approx 5-10% should be taken by the download onto your towbar.
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Also if you use bigger wheels say 10 or 12 inch diameter rather than 8 inch then the extra size helps absorb the bumps in the road and its better for the bearings.
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