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    Posted: 26 Oct 05 at 5:20pm
Originally posted by crew_monkey

Nope, two separate bits of string. One to launch the bowsprit, one to hoist the kite.

The crew lanuches the pole and hoists while the helm gets his head out of the boat sorts out his wing-wang (!)     (the wing wangs are the control lines for the canting bowsprit)

Righ oh; that makes the 400 the odd one out. Any reason for it being seperate?

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Hmm,,  I would have thought that when you're racing, unless the crew has sonething better to do (like attach the sym spinny pole to the mast, as Rick said) then the crew should be pulling up the kite while the helm worries about the race.

Don't think I've ever seen a helm hoisting at an open/champs (in a 400)

Often (esp in a blow) the helm will take the windward sheet to stop any flapping.



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I cant speak for the 400 but I find that in the more tame family/training oreintated assymetric boats it is faster for the helm to do the hoist. On the other hand in the skiff-types it is definantly better for the crew to hoist and the helm to focus on keeping the whole thing shiny side down and pointing in the right direction.

There must come a point in the middle where it simply comes down to user preference and I suspect the 400 is pretty close to this point
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Nope, two separate bits of string. One to launch the bowsprit, one to hoist the kite.

The crew lanuches the pole and hoists while the helm gets his head out of the boat sorts out his wing-wang (!)     (the wing wangs are the control lines for the canting bowsprit)

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I believe it's a single pull system where by the pole goes out as the kite goes up; could be wrong.

Anyway; if it's not that makes it the exception.

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Interesting. I'll admit I've only used asymmetrics on keelboats. However the RS400 still has a bowsprit that the crew must deploy. Couldn't the helm hoist while the pole is going out? http://www.aldeburghyc.u-net.com/rs400/tips.htm suggests that the helm hoisting is a possibility.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 05 at 11:49am
Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by crew_monkey

BTW the helm never hoists the kite, even if the halyard is lead aft.

Really? In other similar classes many do. Whether they should is another question.

I don't know of any asymetric two man class where the helm would hoist the kite.

The only reason the helm hoists in a symetric kite boat is because the crew is putting the pole on; this is course not needed in a assy.

The nearest you'd get is a B14 where the helm pulls out the tack line whilst the crew hoists the kite - this is because they don't have a chute ...

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Cheers for the advice guys.

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Defenetly shorten the halyard it removes friction, is soo much easier for the crew and is tidier! Dont go from the hoisting block straight to the kite though go through the block on the port toe strap fitting as this is much easier to do the first part of the drop.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote crew_monkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 05 at 2:41pm

yep, can see that working well, especially as you can get the pole launched safely before the bear away, unless it's really howling or you're on another boats transom.

But generally on approach helm is easing kicker / playing with rig tension / trying not to hit anyone (maybe even looking upwind at the breeze if you're lucky)... so I would tend to leave this responsibility with the crew unless they are particularly feeble!

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