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    Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 2:02pm

As someone else has said, for the worlds all the kit was supplied by the organisers.  For sure there will be minute differences, but I suspect not enough to have a measurable difference let alone allow one sailor to completely dominate in such a fashion.

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Originally posted by Ian S

Originally posted by MikeBz

It's the most impressive result in the whole of the sailing world this year (or even for some years?), a complete and utter demolition job using identical equipment.

Mike

Not wishing to knock the guys skill in anyway.. but can any of them really be said to be using identical equipment? The dies for the extruded mast sections have got to wear during the production life cycle so there must be variables in performance depending upon when the section was made.

I've heard the stories of sailors choosing parts too, from some sources that I would like to think were reliable..

 



When I used to go Karting I raced in a class called 100TKM. For this class chassis design is restricted (and has to be homolgated) but the engines are '1 design' with very strict limits so they were supposedly identical.

As with everything '1 design' the top guy spent housr weighing parts to get the lightest and 'best' parts...

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I know back when I was sailing toppers I bought a new boat through Dave Cockerell. He went to the factory for me and went through a selection of hulls before he found one that he decided was light enough and stiff enough in the right places. Aparently there is a surprising difference and the really top guys will spend ages looking for the right 'one design' kit
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I wonder if Laser select the Kit  or take more care on the build of the boats for the worlds fleet than they do for standard kit?
If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right
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Originally posted by Isis

I know back when I was sailing toppers I bought a new boat through Dave Cockerell. He went to the factory for me and went through a selection of hulls before he found one that he decided was light enough and stiff enough in the right places. Aparently there is a surprising difference and the really top guys will spend ages looking for the right 'one design' kit

I can't believe the mentality of people in our sport; of course make sure your kit is up to scratch but the biggest factor is the sailor(s).

When I sailed Topper I just has the first boat off the shelf - that was good enough to win the Europeans out right and the first youth at the worlds and nationals. How did you get on with your special boat?

If people put as much effort into their sailing as fiddling with their boats the average standard in the UK would be far better.

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When I sailed Topper I just has the first boat off the shelf - that was good enough to win the Europeans out right and the first youth at the worlds and nationals. How did you get on with your special boat?

I should probibly note here that I would have been perfectly happy with the 'first boat off the shelf' It just so happened that Dave offered me a very good deal so I chose to buy through him, and he took it upon himself to select that boat. I knew nothing about the differences between boats untill he delivered it and had a chat with me about all.

As for how I got on... No where near as impressive as you as I never did the circuit but lots of wins and top-of fleet possisions at club level and handicap opens.
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Originally posted by Guest#260

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I can't believe the mentality of people in our sport; of course make sure your kit is up to scratch but the biggest factor is the sailor(s).



Its something that oftn bemuses those of us who sail open rule boats. We know that very big differences between boats often make very little difference in round the course speed, so get really bemused by sailors in one design classes taking immense pains and even expense working within the rules to gain what must be microscopic differences in performance - and often in many cases no idea whether those changes actually make the boat faster or slower anyway.

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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Guest#260

I can't believe the mentality of people in our sport; of course make sure your kit is up to scratch but the biggest factor is the sailor(s).


Its something that oftn bemuses those of us who sail open rule boats. We know that very big differences between boats often make very little difference in round the course speed, so get really bemused by sailors in one design classes taking immense pains and even expense working within the rules to gain what must be microscopic differences in performance - and often in many cases no idea whether those changes actually make the boat faster or slower anyway.

I guess it is human nature; people don't want to recognise their own inadequacies so focus on the equipment ... easier to blame the mast rake than your own inability to tack the boat!!

If our sport could have coaching to a deeper level (like golf say) people could actually improve.

I worked for a season in Minorca and I had sailors who has been sailing all their lifes and still didn't know how to do some of the basics; after a weeks training they left having achieved huge gains is thier ability. Shame the club system dosn't support coaching. All the money goes into the Olympic elite.

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Originally posted by Guest#260

Shame the club system dosn't support coaching. All the money goes into the Olympic elite.


That's not quite true. There is a fair bit of support from the RYA (mostly admin and organisation rather than money, but that's fair enough) for clubs and classes to organise coaching. I've got an RYA club coach cert for instance.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Guest#260

Shame the club system dosn't support coaching. All the money goes into the Olympic elite.


That's not quite true. There is a fair bit of support from the RYA (mostly admin and organisation rather than money, but that's fair enough) for clubs and classes to organise coaching. I've got an RYA club coach cert for instance.

It is great that people are prepared to do this type of thing but why dosn't every club have a club pro.

When I sailed 420's & 470's in the 80's I benefited for the top coaches. No I sail the Musto the only pro coaching I get is twice a year from Mark Rushall at the two big events.

I can drive to my local golf club and get an hour with the club pro or go to my squash club and do the same ... why are their no pro coaches at club level?

Is it that sailors are no open minded to paying for pro coaching?

Looks like small cheese compared to the cost of new sails but I guess people will no pay.

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