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    Posted: 04 Oct 05 at 2:00pm

In June this year (after a 6-month ballot) we allowed, according to owner preference:

  • conversion to aft bridle
  • increased vang ratios (16:1 max)
  • control lines to be led back to turning blocks on the centre line of the boat

We're almost at a point of proposing new rules to incorporate V3000s. Basically they'll encompass the Laser 3000 configuration, V3000 configuration, and hybrids, far more relaxed. The only real controls will be over the expensive bits (sails, spars, foils, hull).

We offered with a single handed category at our Burghfield open meet this year (no takers). We had one singlehander at Ullswater, no handicap and came second. The reduced weight of the V-boat should make quite a difference one-up. In terms of an RN for the clubs, we've too little data to go off. You can arrange a Trial Number/Club Number with your club.

I'm meeting up with Jeff VB at Rutland at the end of October for a sail, not a strictly a demo day tough. I'll probably take my L3000 and sail-off combinations of orignal and new kit on the two boats to assess where any advantage lies. You interested in coming along Nick?
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Hope there are more demo days - further north perhaps.

On the subject of stifled development, now would seem a really good time to relax as many 3000 class rules as poss. 

  • A PY for single handing would be nice (or just leave it the same but allow it).
  • Permitting the controls to be led back to the helm would also be good.  Far cheaper and much less effect on speed than buying a new set of sails - which of course is allowed without any PY penalty at all. 

One 3k I've seen had shroud tensioners built in - which was maybe going a bit far, but what the hell it still wouldn't help ME win races - but might still be fun to play with.
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Just noticed on the Vanderctaft website that Jeff is running a demo day for V3000s at Burghfield SC (just off M4 near Reading) on 8th October.

Visit http://www.vandercraft.co.uk/ and click the V3000 box for details
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Originally posted by Guest#260

Sorry; my point is that the V3000 will have significant performance advantages over the L3000 - same standard sailor in each and I know where I'd place my money ....

.... but there's quite a wide range of standards in a fleet ... would 80-90% of the fireball fleet do much better overall in a Winder boat?

for the majority of the fleet an L3000 should compete on fairly equal terms with the Vs, with affordable upgrades available to improve the L's sailability to suit yourself

it's at the top of the fleet that the differential might start to show, if we get the much stiffer competition that i'm hoping for in the future
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Originally posted by Chris Noble

this is very true, but if this class hits it off again, which there is a great chance of, i dont think this will be the last development we here from it. It looks like a great boat right enough as it is, yet the possibilites for it as it is now are endless, just look at the mods the 29er has undergone with its new rig...

I cant see a twin trap, big rig 3000 coming along in the near future to be honest... I think it would be spreading its target market too thinly. The best boat is not nessaceraly the one with the biggest rags.
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Originally posted by Guest#260

The old L3000 seems like a dog in comparison ...

Ouch, that hurt  ... all I can say is a dog is a man's best friend!  I have great fun on the circuit in my L3000, which is what it's all about for me.

Sometimes too much emphasis is placed on slight performance advantages, where tactics and boat handling is generally far more influential in results, especially at the lower end of the performance range for trapeze boats.

Sorry; my point is that the V3000 will have significant performance advantages over the L3000 - same standard sailor in each and I know where I'd place my money ....

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this is very true, but if this class hits it off again, which there is a great chance of, i dont think this will be the last development we here from it. It looks like a great boat right enough as it is, yet the possibilites for it as it is now are endless, just look at the mods the 29er has undergone with its new rig...
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Originally posted by Chris Noble

it's a very very tempting offer indeed, looks like a bit of a handiap bandit and a good club racer aswell.

Remember that the Laser 3000 has been a very strict SMOD for the past 10 years, absolutely no changes, no CA control. All we're doing is catching up with the Winder Fireball bandits of this world!

In relation to the "Stifling Development" topic, no class can afford to sit on it's laurels this long.
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yeh i know it is, i was just saying that my faith lies a lot more in fibre technology boats still.
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Originally posted by Chris Noble

it's a very very tempting offer indeed, looks like a
bit of a handiap bandit and a good club racer aswell, im still not a fan of
"tupaware" boats at all and prefer the feel and maintenance prospects of a
glass/carbon/any fibre boat, aswell as the fittings stayin fitted in the
boat.


But the V3000 is epoxy glass layup? Looks like a nice boat. Don't
understand why lazer don't / didn't do it this way first time around.
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