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    Posted: 29 Aug 08 at 1:30pm

Originally posted by Spyderman

I think you can apply the same test as for the rest of rule 42

From the Rule 42 Interpretations for the 2005 - 2008 Racing Rules of Sailing
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Except when permitted under rule 42.3, any single action of the body that propels the boat (in any direction) with the effect of one stroke of a paddle is prohibited. 

So if your body accidentally hit the water without that effect you don't break rule 42. But if it has the same effect as the paddle, you are up the creek without one.

Teabagging crew and or helm would certainly have more effect than a paddle stroke, but I can't agree that accidentally hitting the water is illegal. I'd interpret low wiring or hiking with it's attendant risk of teabagging as "performing an act of seamanship". Rule doesn't say seamanship has to be perfect or even that good -

I'd go with earlier interpretation that deliberate slowing (using body drag etc)  is illegal, but accidental isn't.

 
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Sails out and a sudden luff, as well with moving backwards should legally do the trick.....best to keep your weight in the boat so you dont get heavy, wet and cold!
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What about sticking a wing in? With our rather large mesh covered wings, the drag's pretty high, and we often make use of that at crowded starts or mark roundings.
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Originally posted by alstorer

What about sticking a wing in? With our rather large mesh covered wings, the drag's pretty high, and we often make use of that at crowded starts or mark roundings.


I don't think sticking a wing in the water is a problem: you adjust the trim of the hull which is specifically permitted:

Except when permitted in rule 42.3 or 45, a boat shall compete by using only the wind and water to increase, maintain or decrease her speed. Her crew may adjust the trim of sails and hull, and perform other acts of seamanship, but shall not otherwise move their bodies to propel the boat.
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So are you allowed to capsize on the line? It would leave you a nice gap to leeward to bear away into...
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Really questionable behaviour like that could be covered by Rule 2...
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Once stuck the 300 in on a rol tack in very light airs - with 40 seconds to go.

The pull-up effect was definitley more than a singlr stroke of the paddle and I won the start!  Everyone laughing too much to protest!
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but how would it be proven to be purposeful as opposed to accidentally capsizing?

does it not seem strange your allowed to heel the boat to dig a wing in yet not really allowed to flatten it in the opposite manner - after all, both are using the same movements simply reversed.....

also taking that rule very 'word for word', when you tack and push/kick off the hull you create a large pivoting moment and so does that become illegal?
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Moving your body to propel the boat is prohibited under rule 42. However a helm or crew in a normal sitting out position who then allows the boat to heel to windward so that his body is in hte water is NOT MOVING. This would be using the force of wind and water to decrease the speed, not moving their bodies to propel the boat.

Kicking with the feet, padling with the hands or deliberately moving a body part out of a seamnlike position would be prohibited. - sitting in the water is legal!

 

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A luff whilst pushing the boom out stops a boat in a very short distance and is completely legal.
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