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Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
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Laser 28 - Excellent example of this great design Hamble le rice |
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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WIndward gives way to leeward and keeping a poor look out is no excuse for hitting someone, thats what it says in the rules OWTTE so that is what people should go by, as someone has already pointed out gentlemen's agreements can be dangerous things.
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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mongrel ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 Aug 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 304 |
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The bow of keelboat is not about 2" DIA and black, and so is easier to see. Also, keelboat bow does not move sideways as quickly as a bow sprit can. Edited by mongrel |
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tmoore ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Nov 07 Location: Wales Online Status: Offline Posts: 880 |
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at the end of the day it doesnt matter if you get hit by a fixed pole or a sliding one, both are held out rigid and will cause a lot of damage. i think this thread is trying to find the solution to this upwind/ downwind problem. im not going to be popular but get a smaller kite with a shorter/ higher foot. unless rule changes occur theres nothing you can do further than a 'gentlemans agreement' or have something writted into the SI's for events. |
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AlexM ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 857 |
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THEY NEED SEE THROUGH KITES
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andymck ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 15 Dec 06 Location: Stamford Online Status: Offline Posts: 397 |
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The up/downwind gate. We used to have this issue in the earlier days of 5
tonners. There were several close calls, and it was eventually binned as a bad idea. Even having gate each side of the comedy boat was a bad idea once the fleet spread out. Andy |
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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Ah yes - Torbay courses. Rememember in the 300 sharing a mark with 400s. Our leeward mark there ODM! Port biased line! Made the big call to round when I heard them counting down! Nearest boat was on 4 as I went round the mark! Never hiked so hard in my life. Thankfully 3 and 4 about the same speed in those conditions. Rest of my fleet when behind the 4s and were nowhere! Apalling raace officering! |
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gordon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037 |
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1 I am totally opposed to having gates in the middle of the course either upwind or downwind - they effectively reduce the "playing field" to a tiny hourglass shape. In the same way leaving the start line in the middle of the course and not allowing boats to sail through it means that there is a huge hole in the "playing field" (draw a course and then put in the lay lines to see what I mean). 2. In big fleets the first beat has to be long enough to allow the fleet to sprerad out before the windward mark. At the Irish SB3 Nationals 1 mile was too short. 3. Leeward gates need to be well set and wide enough so that there is not a pile up at one mark. 4. Conclusion from the SB3 event last weekend (80 boats)... put a jury boat on the water with an umpire, whistle and yellow flag...hover at the marks...rule observance will improve hugely and many problems will disappear. I should know - I was the umpire!
Gordon
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tack'ho ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1100 |
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How about a rule for fixed bowsprit boats that the last 6 inches need to be a bright colour?
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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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That's going to go down well with all the traditional boats... ![]() There's nothing new about fixed bowsprits folks, they've been common since at least the 12th century... [apologies to the uncredited photographer on the Old Gaffers website part of whose photo I ripped off for purposes of satire] Edited by JimC |
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Iain C ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1113 |
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The bowsprit is not the issue, it's the kite and the limited viz... |
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RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed"
Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
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