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    Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 8:04pm
it's a very very tempting offer indeed, looks like a bit of a handiap bandit and a good club racer aswell, im still not a fan of "tupaware" boats at all and prefer the feel and maintenance prospects of a glass/carbon/any fibre boat, aswell as the fittings stayin fitted in the boat.
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Originally posted by Guest#260

The old L3000 seems like a dog in comparison ...

Ouch, that hurt  ... all I can say is a dog is a man's best friend!  I have great fun on the circuit in my L3000, which is what it's all about for me.

Sometimes too much emphasis is placed on slight performance advantages, where tactics and boat handling is generally far more influential in results, especially at the lower end of the performance range for trapeze boats.

It's a great boat in which to learn asymmetric techniques as it really emphasises the characteristics of this type of sailing, instead of sailors having to focus most of their attention on on staying upright. Makes for good racing ... compare F1 cars with Formula 2000 for entertainment value!

The single source sails is to avoid the need for class measurers and was an inducement to the builder in his business case. Also helps Jeff keep his margins low, one reason for such a good value overall package.

A complete set of 3 sails is below £800, can't argue with that ... also makes owning a Laser 3000 a very good proposition in the used boat market ... definitely not one to be written off.

Original Laser/Holt sails and new Sobstad sails will be class legal (subject to CA member ballot).



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The old L3000 seems like a dog in comparison ...
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It does seem like a very good development. The scary thing is that the new boat is 3-4 stone ligter and there is already talk of racing the new boats unballasted against the old boats. I'm not too sure about the water ballast stuff, wouldn't lead correctors be the route to go? Plus is there going to be an option to race with hydes or sobstads?

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I think they are missing an opportunity here in sticking with single-source or builder-supplied sails.  Without knowing the background it is easy to criticise.  It maybe that Sobstad helped with some of the rig development and bore these costs hoping they would get pay back later.

I personally prefer the supplied hull and spars and free-choice of sails ( like the B14).  Sails wear out quicker than hulls and therefore development/ obsolesence is less of an issue.

The advantage of letting sailmakers in is that it normally encourages an influx of good sailors hoping to sell sails while competition keeps the sail prices- honest.  Admittedly measuring sails is an unavoidable consequence, but doesn't seem such a huge inconvenience.

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http://laser3000.lasersailing.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5 93

Follow this link for a more in-depth discussion and photos of the V3000 on the L3000 website.

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Ah, somebody else thinks like me.  Yes I'd agree the V3000 will knock the Vago for six.  However there is probably room for both - just as there seems to be room for the Phantom, RS300 and the Blaze.  The Vago will appeal to the beginner who's looking for a trapeze and an image, the V3000 will appeal to the more experienced lightwieght who would notice the lack of stiffness in the Vago.  You have to remember the V3000 has the pedigree of a Bethwaite hull, could well be a little longer and yet lighter.  It has a more sophisticated rig and more room.  It's a pity the V3000 wasn't around a few years ago it could well have become the youth performance boat, but know it will have to compete against the 29er.

And just to mention another improvement which I suspect is going to improve its light air performance quite abit.  Because of the gnav, the lower shrouds go much higher up the mast this opens a space for the crew to go forward of the mast in the light stuff.  I bet we are going to see its PY number as even more advantageous and in time it will have to creep down a couple of points.  Does anybody know how it compares with the Vago?  I'd say it has to be almost as fast as a Fireball now and 20 to 50 points lower than a Vago.  This is however conjecture since I haven't sailed either.

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I sailed a battered old laser 3000 after i stopped sailing my topper & b4 i got my 29er. I remember it being slightly underpowered and with a lot of very irritaing little problems which turned an ok boat into a terrible one. I'm glad to see they've sorted out the spinaker system, which was terrible, that off centre hole that the ople came out of always caught the kite on the way up or down, and the jib tack often got in th way as well, with the pole now in the middle and the kite comng out in front of the jib, that should now be better. The Gnav will be an improvment as well as there should now be room for the crew to actually move in th boat, as in the 9er. Vandercraft seem to have improved this boat immeasurably and it should be more popular as a result. (I bet it still has loads of lee helm with the kite up in a breeze tho!)

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Sounds like a winner to me if they market it properly.

I was quite surprised when the 3000 died out, it always seemed like a good little boat to me but the manufacturer/class association just seemed to be too fixed on the whole 'one design' thing and a couple of easily corected faults let it down, Faults which now seem to have been sorted!!

 

Im interesed about this water balast though, does it just involve the new boats leaving thier bungs out on the trip to the startline or something? why not just suply an optional 'lead kit'?

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Sounds like it will be a superb boat.

A Laser 2 in a blow (if you're the right weight) is one of the best sailing experiences there is, mainly due to its super light responsive hull.

As the V3000 will be even lighter and have all the modern features it will probably be a winner! Great name too.

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