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    Posted: 02 Sep 05 at 2:30pm
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Originally posted by Steve Clark

The AC stays as it is,  but the IC minimum weight drops to 50kg ( all in) and the hull shape gets open to restricted development.

Pardon my ignorance but am I right in thinking that "AC" is the variant with the kite? If so, what is the logic behind reducing the 2-sail weight only?  

Maybe to feed the heavier boats into the AC fleet and then develop the IC fleet to the "new rules"

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Originally posted by Steve Clark

The AC stays as it is,  but the IC minimum weight drops to 50kg ( all in) and the hull shape gets open to restricted development.

Pardon my ignorance but am I right in thinking that "AC" is the variant with the kite? If so, what is the logic behind reducing the 2-sail weight only?  
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Again I must note that I have no involvement in the class but from what ive picked up on the canoe sites the ACs split totaly without any support from the IC class and there seems to be quite a bit of bitterness because of this. There are a number of people on both sides who want to split the class into to totaly seperate factions (as well as a few determined to keep it united)

I am a big fan of development classes and I think the IC (but possibly not the AC) belongs as one of these. Having said this though I dont agree with a lot of the 'experimental' boats with racks/traps etc. The sliding seat is part of the identity of the class and should not be lost.
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Originally posted by Blobby

but why go to a different set of rules for one and not the other?

There would presumably be no reason why the AC people couldn't adopt the more open hull rules if they wanted to, but it doesn't seem appropriate that they should have a veto on what the International Class does.
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Personally, I can't see the benefit of having different rules for the IC and AC.  Yes reducing the weight and opening up the hulls to restricted development is a good idea and would make it more attractive to me, but why go to a different set of rules for one and not the other?

 
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Out of curiosity, how many people sail either type in the UK?
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I have been following this discussion on the canoe forums and I definantly think this should be the way forward for the class. The AC revolution seems to be unstopable and those of you who wish to stick to the 2 sail format must either resign yourselves to living in the ACs shadow or evolve.

 
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Interest? I think you have plenty. But you have a hurdle. I reckon most
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Australians and Americans are thinking about revising the class rules for the two sail International Canoe, The AC stays as it is,  but the IC minimum weight drops to 50kg ( all in) and the hull shape gets open to restricted development. Pointy sterns, 750mm min beam, 5200mm max LOA. SAil area and seat stay pretty much the same.  Does thjis excite any new interest?
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