-(1)-202408140552.gif)
| Laser 140101 Tynemouth |
 |
| Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
 |
| Laser 28 - Excellent example of this great design Hamble le rice |
 |
List classes of boat for sale |
Lightweight Canoes |
Post Reply 
|
Page 123> |
| Author |
 Share Topic Printable Version Delicious Digg Facebook Furl Google MySpace Newsvine reddit StumbleUpon Translate Twitter Windows Live Yahoo Bookmarks Topic Search  Topic Options
|
|
Steve Clark 
Newbie 
Joined: 14 Jul 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 38 |
 Post Options
 Quote Reply
 Topic: Lightweight CanoesPosted: 01 Sep 05 at 6:20pm |
|
|
Australians and Americans are thinking about revising the class rules for the two sail International Canoe, The AC stays as it is, but the IC minimum weight drops to 50kg ( all in) and the hull shape gets open to restricted development. Pointy sterns, 750mm min beam, 5200mm max LOA. SAil area and seat stay pretty much the same. Does thjis excite any new interest?
|
||
 |
||
|
Cheeky
Groupie 
Joined: 05 Aug 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 59 |
Post Options
Quote Reply
Posted: 01 Sep 05 at 6:36pm |
|
|
Interest? I think you have plenty. But you have a hurdle. I reckon most
sailors who haven't sailed one think they can't. |
||
|
||
|
Isis
Really should get out more 
Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
Post Options
Quote Reply
Posted: 01 Sep 05 at 11:37pm |
|
|
I have been following this discussion on the canoe forums and I
definantly think this should be the way forward for the class. The AC
revolution seems to be unstopable and those of you who wish to stick to
the 2 sail format must either resign yourselves to living in the ACs
shadow or evolve.
|
||
|
||
|
Black no sugar
Really should get out more
Joined: 04 Dec 04 Location: Somewhere between Brighton and Lancing Online Status: Offline Posts: 3941 |
Post Options
Quote Reply
Posted: 02 Sep 05 at 1:42am |
|
|
Out of curiosity, how many people sail either type in the UK?
|
||
|
||
|
Blobby
Really should get out more
Joined: 07 May 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 779 |
Post Options
Quote Reply
Posted: 02 Sep 05 at 6:30am |
|
|
Personally, I can't see the benefit of having different rules for the IC and AC. Yes reducing the weight and opening up the hulls to restricted development is a good idea and would make it more attractive to me, but why go to a different set of rules for one and not the other?
|
||
|
||
|
JimC
Really should get out more
Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
Post Options
Quote Reply
Posted: 02 Sep 05 at 10:17am |
|
There would presumably be no reason why the AC people couldn't adopt the more open hull rules if they wanted to, but it doesn't seem appropriate that they should have a veto on what the International Class does. |
||
|
||
|
Isis
Really should get out more
Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
Post Options
Quote Reply
Posted: 02 Sep 05 at 12:29pm |
|
|
Again I must note that I have no involvement in the class but from what
ive picked up on the canoe sites the ACs split totaly without any
support from the IC class and there seems to be quite a bit of
bitterness because of this. There are a number of people on both sides
who want to split the class into to totaly seperate factions (as well
as a few determined to keep it united)
I am a big fan of development classes and I think the IC (but possibly not the AC) belongs as one of these. Having said this though I dont agree with a lot of the 'experimental' boats with racks/traps etc. The sliding seat is part of the identity of the class and should not be lost. |
||
|
||
|
Stefan Lloyd
Really should get out more
Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
Post Options
Quote Reply
Posted: 02 Sep 05 at 1:44pm |
|
|
Pardon my ignorance but am I right in thinking that "AC" is the variant with the kite? If so, what is the logic behind reducing the 2-sail weight only? |
||
|
||
|
Scooby_simon
Really should get out more
Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
Post Options
Quote Reply
Posted: 02 Sep 05 at 2:30pm |
|
Maybe to feed the heavier boats into the AC fleet and then develop the IC fleet to the "new rules" |
||
|
Wanna learn to Ski - PM me..
|
||
|
||
|
Steve Clark
Newbie
Joined: 14 Jul 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 38 |
Post Options
Quote Reply
Posted: 02 Sep 05 at 4:11pm |
|
|
The AC (3 sail vesion) contingent has developed a formula that they regard as highly successful. They do not wish to modify it or to even receive input from the IC sailors. In fact they even have trouble accepting suggestions from AC sailors who aren't from Britian. But they are happy and having fun, so they should be allowed to continue. Great! In the mean time there are others who maybe didn't agree that the addition of a 23m^2 spinnacher to a restricted sail area class was necessarily the appropriate way to speed up a historicly significant class, and felt that returning to something like the development formula that got us here in the first place was probably a better idea. The only really significant change in the proposal is the reduction in weight made possible by 70 years of material science since the rule was first envisioned. Other old classes, like the I-14 have made similar weight reductions. The hope is that the ICs performance upwind will become balanced by better off wind speed and more interesting and tactical runs because the boat will be sailed at angles instead of run square. This should be an elegant sailing machine. SHC |
||
|
||
|
Post Reply
|
Page 123> |
| Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy