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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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Yes sometimes it pays to run deep and then its worth "wing wanging". In lighter winds when you have to go very high to keep the crew out on the wire its best to get the crew in, sit forward and run deep. Especially so if the tide is strong and adverse and you can stay out of the tide a bit more that way. Then again there are moments when to get deep is good from a tactical point of view. For instance at the windward mark and you want to get off on the port gybe. "Wing Wang" and let the pack go over the top and then gybe away - they can't gybe until you do since you are to leeward and on starboard. Its not fast in a breeze though and those who blast off soon get ahead. |
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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Good we seem to have revived this thread. I'll try and keep it up now. "Wing Wangs" - peculiar to Laser 4000s and RS 400s they enable you to swing the pole out to windward a bit and thus help you run that bit deeper. This is achieved with a rope purchase which goes around the inboard end of the pole once it is deployed. In truth they are hardly worth it in the 4000 since once the wind is up to planning speeds they are best left in the middle. On the 400 they are usefull since 400s don't lose quite so much speed if you run deep. Both boats were designed by Phil Morrison and you can see why he has done it - it allows a much longer pole than the distance from bow to mast. This is why the 4000 has such a long one compared with say a 800 or a 49er. The 5000 and the 200 get around the same problem by having the pole off centre. |
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Went sailing on Saturday. Cost me 10K ! |
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That was interesting, just the sort of thing I was hoping to read about.
Back to that lightwind race last year What is a wing-wang? We were out sunday, had a total blast, best race yet managed a third in what became quite windy conditions. It was blustery, West with Rain Squalls which would mean lifts on starboard as they passed, so 1st beat out of the gun we took the high end of the line expecting to be lifted up to the mark if anything, but even though it didn't we still rounded 1st along with a 470 and closely followed by our enemy the RS200. Banged up the kite just as the wind gusted and we flew down the 1st reach but got overhauled by a laser 4000 and the 200, but out to sea it was quite bumpy and we all piled in at the gybe. Two lasers (the normal single handed ones) came by and pretty much held the lead thereon, as the wind increased to a gusty 5-6 maybe more in the puffs. Inevitably we would lose it falling over downwind, but get it back on the shifts upwind, quite a long race hour and a half, by the end of it as we righted the bloody boat for the sixth time, and it sailed off without us, we were getting so knackered, could barely swim and catch it. That RS200 kept bothering us, even in that wind, how can that have a PY of 1089 are we still that useless? They fell over more than we did and eventually retired as did the 4000, leaving us the lead multisail boat to finish. Steve my crew got smacked full in the face by the boom after one particularly hairy entanglement with the leeward buoy rope, he elbowed me full in the face splitting my lip in the middle of a spinnaker drop that actually went really well for us. But all in all upwind, that little 3000 gave as good as it got, we're getting quite adept at playing the jib as well (mistake corrected by folk here, not the whining kids, some grown ups amongst y'all, thanks for that)and the three sail reaches over the waves when we're quite literally leaving the water and thumping back down are almost on a par with windsurf racing. We just can't wait to get out again in a bit of a breeze. Roll on thursday night. Meanwhile its back to windsurf racing tonight. This is a good thread to read, bit like the one we have on Boards "How was it for you". More interesting than the my boats better than yours crap. I for one would be very interested to read about your racing tales, keep em coming! |
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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A year gone since there was a post here! I can't resist anyway - the racing was so good on the Medway this weekend. Normally the club is out of the wind but a westerly on Sunday meant there was a quite bit in the dinghy park and so difficult to rig the gennaker and it occasionally whistled in the rigging. Good 4000 weather. Race 1 - rotton start, it was downwind and I started in a lull just as those on the other side of the river were in a gust. By the time we got going we were very nearly last and it was a horrible course with navigation bouy after navigation bouy to pass on this side or that so we couldn't get separation from a well sailed 400 until we got further down the river. Damn gusty too. However further down river the wind smoothed out and it was blast after blast fully wired downwind and plenty of gybes to practice as we were taken down river to a bouy five or six miles away. By the time we got there the 800s were not far ahead and the other 4000 was well behind with the 400 out of sight. It was a long beat back aginst the tide and choppy in places so we couldn't really get it planning to windward properly. I don't know how we did but it wasn't bad. The afternoon race wasn't so good - it was gusty and strong so we and another well sailed 4000 managed to keep the 800s behind us on the tight 3 sail reach but off they went once we could sail a bit free. We lost our timing and spun out in one gybe (my fault we were going particularly fast down a wave and I think I turned too fast). That put us back and we dropped it in again once more on a gybe and once on a tack. However others were getting it wrong too so we were still ahead of some. I think the wind had dropped a bit too and we lacked power having slackened the lowers a half click and put the cars back a notch. We then ran aground trying to dodge the tide on the way back and capsized in thick black mud. It took ages to get going again and we must have been at the back of the fleet when we arrived back at the club very knackered. I can't wait until next Sunday. |
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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Not great on the Medway this weekend. Light winds - crews race in the morning, we did reasonable but the course was short and didn't take us down river to where the wind is generally stronger. Many of the 800s went down there anyway - to play not race. The afternoon was interesting in that a long distance race through the creeks was scheduled. We didn't start well but soon caught the 800s (we can wing-wang they can't, which helps in the lighter stuff) but the 400 and Osprey were not far behind (the 400 can wing-wang too and the Osprey is better still - when its light). Then we hardened up for a narrow creek but on the other side we all decided we could try the kites, at that point the wind went from 8k to 16 and we all bore away to drop. It then went very light and we capsised to windward, with me trapped astride mainsheet and crew on the foredeck. A quick recovery kept us ahead of the pack and still with one of the 800s but the others had got away in a gust. Still we gained on them in a tidal gate as the wind fell further away and the race was shortened. We were tantalisingly close at the finish (say 100m) but not close enough to save our time on handicap, if we'd have finished 50 seconds earlier we would have finished about 3rd instead of 8th. The race was won by an all girl crew in a 200 and a couple of guys sailing a Wayfarer. They had started 30 mins before us and had 30 mins more wind. We had the last laugh - we beat them all back to the club. |
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Phil eltringham ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: England/Hitchin Online Status: Offline Posts: 1105 |
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Not so much out this weekend, but in a few weekends time. Namely the first two weekends in October, 1st/2nd is the B14 open at Hayling Island and the 8th/9th is the Tide Ride, also at Hayling. Rachel can't make it down from Newcastle for either of these so I'm short of a crew (or helm if you prefer the stickky bit). If you are up for a bit of B14 blasting (and some proper drinking) then PM or email me. Since my last post on this thread I have got the hang of sailing in waves, getting reasonably competative now.
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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Fantastic sailing on the Medway this last weekend. The Sheppey web cam suggested the wind was 30mph. It must have been about that as the downwind legs were so fast that it was like riding a bucking bronco - we were overtaking the waves so fast it felt like we were beating. There were some long 2 sail reaches too, which were blindingly fast (literally blinded by spray, even with my googles (sunglasses) on). They're very hairy 'cos the bow wants to submarine. Had a substantial bit of airtime when we crossed behind a powerboat but nearly disappeared to sixty thousand leagues when we came down rather too bow first, fortuately the crew knows to hang on to the helms bouyancy at such times and managed to keep his feet. I was very impressed with the boat, we creamed past our rival on the downwind leg after a poor start. The other 4000s were left for dead and so too were some of the 800s (swimming). We had one very wobbly gybe when we had to drop the kite before we gybed. You have to admit that a drop, gybe and round up is the worst sort of manouevre - you should try it in 30mph. Our rivals were close behind and managed to get the downhaul and kicker in quickly and climb to windward of us whilst we were heading for the mud banks. We had to tack but then tack back again in quick succession since our rival caught us port/starboard. A few tacks later we dropped it in and our rivals got a couple of hundred metres ahead. However on the long final beat (about a mile) we gradually ground them down and pipped them at the post. Did we feel good. A 4000, in a blow, is one hell of a machine, so fast upwind - if you get the hang of it - its all about driving and not pointing. There was one cruiser coming up river, it made about half a mile whilst we did several laps of our mile long windward leeward. My crew says they had their mouths open with astonishment - I'm afraid I could not look round to verify. The afternoon race was similar except we dropped it in a couple of times, our rivals didn't play - they were "too knackered". Most boats retired in the afternoon. Everybody except a Vortex were flattened when a force 8 squall came through, a cruiser lost half his mast, I didn't see it, I was busy stowing the kite whilst the boat was on its side. I suspect our swimming didn't do our position much good - but what the hell. I could barely get out of bed this mourning - aches and pains. I went round a roundabout and nearly passed out with a muscle spasm down my right side. Sunday had been quite strenuous! |
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