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    Posted: 20 Oct 04 at 12:23am
Originally posted by Scooby_simon

My inter 17 IS faster than a 49er.  Simple as that.  On UK yardstick I rate at 735 and the 49er at 750.  I do struggle against them in the lighter stuff, but as soon as  Iam wiring, it's bye bye.

Tornado IS MUCH faster than a 18 footer, cannot find the article from the tornado web site, but when they were testing the new big rig a couple of years ago, first time out they went to play with some 18 footers and the author was saying something like, Faster up wind, but not by much and totally swept them away downwind.  I'll try and find the piece later.



What sort of conditions are you sailing in? What level are the 49er crews?

Re the Tornado v 18 quote. I think it came from Bundy & Forbes, who also said that they go half as fast again downwind (or a third as fast again?) with the new rig.

But strangely, as mentioned, when the Tornadoes here changed their rig, the yardstick dropped only 3 points; 66 to 69. Dropped 5% or so is NOT equivalent to going half as fast for half the race! So they must be exxagerating, or else the new T would clean up every race on yardstick. Yet even B & F are not out-of-sight ahead of the As and T 4.9s and F 18s on yardstick results IIRC.

 And while they do seem to have an advantage under that ridiculously small drop, it's not enormous - we can beat the Australian Tornado champ on yardstick with the T 4.9, and the national T 4.9 champ does it most of the time (as does the recent world A Class champ) at our club. The former Nacra world champ with his F 18 is also very competitive at our club from memory. Ergo, the Tornado CAN'T be 1/3 as fast again under kite as they claim.

While I know the quote, I dunno, I'll still prefer to stay with the results of racing (determined in the 18 v T contest, AND in the handicaps derived from raciing experience).

I'd love to see another organised contest between the two, 'cause I admit I haven't seen too many contests between a spi cat and a skiff. The racing we've done in the T 4.9 sloop against the T 4.9s with kite shows how bloody quick they are downwind in the moderate, I admit, so I'm still open ont h e question although I tend to favour the skiff.


 

 

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I dont know much about these things but where were the Cats in the two bridges race. That is a drag race between two points and I think the 18ft skiff was just beaten by a board.
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From the Daily sail....

The start, with eight of the 18 Skiffs, 18 windsurfers, 14 kite boards and two 29er skiffs thrashing about in a steep chop just outside the Golden Gate, was a spectacular sight not often seen in sailing.

 

So no Cats were sailing but I would fancy a go at that one...

 

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Which raises the question. Why no cats? Did they feel they had no chance

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Originally posted by rogerd

Which raises the question. Why no cats? Did they feel they had no chance

 

Maybe they were not invited ?

I would love to have a go at it, but it would be a bit of a treck for me...

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make a holiday out of it- i went this summer- its a really nice place, and windy most of the time.
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ok the tornado has cleaned up on handicap so who eva said that doesnt know what they are talking about if u want to win in ca sailing and are any good u will sail a tornado if u cant handle the speed then u best do something clever and buy a silly slow boat like a laser 4000!!!!  hehe nah they are a good dinghy but nothing compared to a tornado sport!!!

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"the tornado has cleaned up on handicap so who eva said that doesnt know what they are talking about"

Well, it depends where you are. In the UK, the Tornado may be cleaning up. That doesn't mean that they clean up in other places.

For a start, we here in Australia sail under a different yardstick. And secondly, it seems that the level of competition out here may be higher than that in the UK. Simply put, in the last year Aussies have won the worlds in Tornadoes, A Class, F 18s, Hobie Tigers and got second and third in Hobie 16s; that's more than half the International cat classes. It's easy to "clean up" against the F 18s, for example, in a country where the best F 18 was about 27th or 38th or something in the worlds.....


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Shame about your dinghy sailors though!
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OK, first F18 worlds.

First brits were 10th

10 GBR 365 STYLES HUGH, LUNCH MARCUS Nacra F18

 

I posted a question on a CAT sailing forum http://www.catsailor.com/forums

and got the answer that

Simon,

There's just not many cat enthusiast's in the SF area.
All that was required was a registration form/fee to enter.
(I was busy getting married and honeymooning.)

Gone are the days when the C-Class, 18 squares and 18ft skiffs were all racing here within weeks of each other.
I do recall an unofficial reaching dual between a C-Class and an 18ft skiff (Color 7) I believe, in the early eighties that the C-Class won.

thread is here if anyone is interested in reading it all

http://www.catsailor.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board= Test&Number=39443

 

 

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