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The Laser II had that reputation also but as it turns out unjustly. Laser IIs will win club races in lighter stuff if sailed right. I suspect the V3000 is similar. The bit about them being good in a real blow is also true but unfortunately every other club boat stays on the beach so you will be on your own. |
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dontdocalm! ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 27 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 74 |
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M. Liddell quote:-"....Just don't bother even looking at taking the cover off until a decent F4+..." The interesting bit is that both V3000s and Laser 3000s are combined in a single Class, the 3000 Class, competing either on an equal basis in Class open events or with a single RYA handicap (from 2008 TN1032 , but previously 1030) Tricky!! Edited by dontdocalm! |
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mike10626 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 04 Jul 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 72 |
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My vote would be for the RS 500 as well. 230 RS 500's built in the time that the new v3000 has got to something like 15 ! It must have something going for it. If you want the close to the water action of that hull you would do better to resurrect an old Laser 2 - it would be far cheaper and it goes straight down wind. |
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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How many of those went to sailing schools/centres though? RS has better marketing when it comes to these things. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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The RS 500 is not a bad boat, but it's low-tech and a bit heavy, and uses sail area to try to compensate; the main reason it sells more than the V3k is the RS badge. Anybody considering a 500 should try a V3k first; it would be hard to buy a 500 after that unless you just wanted to do the RS circuit. That's not just my opinion, most people who have tried a V3k have bought one. As to not taking the cover off till F4+, the new sails have made 3k's potential winners in lighter winds too now, albeit while making them a bit more of a challenge in a blow. Of course, if you sail a Laser 3000, you can revert to the old sails when it honks! Comfort has been much improved by the rigging mods that are now allowed and are standard on the V: gnav, aft bridle and off the boom sheeting make the cockpit pretty spacious, and it's certainly easier to trapeze than the wider 500 - I don't think anybody who had sailed both could seriously dispute that. |
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dontdocalm! ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 27 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 74 |
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Oh it has - its marketed by a high-profile company and has 'brand identity'! Doesn't means its a better boat though. EDIT:- I must learn to type quicker - 2 replies added while I was doing it!!! Edited by dontdocalm! |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Thiis is what's known in the trade as the "eat sh**: 20 billion flies can't be wrong" argument. Sales figures (which RS have not published in recent years, although they tell me they will be giving YY the Racing Classes Review data this year) are a useful guide to the popularity of a boat, but only one of a whole host of factors in working out which is the best boat for your needs... |
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mike10626 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 04 Jul 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 72 |
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It looks like the v3000 has the better marketing team on this forum !
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mike10626 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 04 Jul 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 72 |
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By the way. Can anyone tell us how many v3000's have actually been sold ? |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Mike I believe it's 12, maybe one or two more. We're a better marketing team because we really believe in the boat we sail! I'm guessing you're a Laser 2 sailor, which I was every weekend for five years in the '90's. But the latest 3k's are really everything I ever wanted in a Laser 2 (like a controllable rig, and fittings of decent quality) and a lot more besides. You need to try one before you comment further. Just pm me your location and we can try to fix you a go; if you want to criticize the V3k after that, fair play. |
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