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    Posted: 25 Jul 05 at 10:16am

Cool, yeah we're going down and i'll probably just sail.

DAM yeah strawberry that Cherub sounds good but sadly there sint any way we can get it back! Is the hull a better design than the plymouth one, and would (after some work) it still be competitive and cope with a 1997 rules rig?

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it is at chew ellie and i t has been there for 4 years ish
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Hey jpbuzz, I'm doing that too (not coaching, but sailing) even though I'm only just young enough to take part!!!  Which group are you coaching (I presume yu aren't sailing)?!!

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Oh, and sorry to butt in with something seriously random  but why do loads of sailing books tell you how to gybe downwind - they start off on a run and go onto a broad reach or something like that! If I was doing a triangular course or trapezoidal (ooh get me, long word! ) course, why would I need to gybe when running before the wind??! And if I don't, then when would I need to?!

All sounds rather peculiar to me....

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Seafalcon i dont have a clue what im doing? I wouldnt mind doing the beginners group, if i did the advanced group i would be worried they would know more than me and show me up
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Hehe, I'm in the top group, so believe me, they really won't show you up!
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Originally posted by TheSeaFalcon

Oh, and sorry to butt in with something seriously random  but why do loads of sailing books tell you how to gybe downwind - they start off on a run and go onto a broad reach or something like that! If I was doing a triangular course or trapezoidal (ooh get me, long word! ) course, why would I need to gybe when running before the wind??! And if I don't, then when would I need to?!

All sounds rather peculiar to me....



If you are sailing a trapezoidal course then u will have to gybe at either the windward mark of the downwind leg or at the leeward mark of the downwind leg, as for a triangular course you will be gybing on the wing mark.

Heres a quick sketch of a trapezoid course



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Ellie, as for gybing downwind, you would only need to do that in a topper if it was really blowing the dogs off chains. It's a kind of survival thing. Cos when you fly straight downwind using a rig with no shrouds it's quite easy to death-roll, and easy to accidently gybe. So if you come off the wind and gybe halfway down it's a little bit safer. In a Topper, the straight downwind route would probably be faster, but preyy hairy. If you wanna be REALLY fast downwind then surf down the waves., if you have any at chew. (This is pretty much guess work. But it was how things worked in the Laser)

In a boat with an assymetric spinaker you get better boat speed on a broad reach than dead downwind. Therefore, it's actually faster to go in a quick zig-zag downwind, than a slow straight line. The increased speed more than makes up for the longer distance sailed.

Does that answer your question?

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Frank, that depends what you mean by competitive. To be honest, the boat would never win a nationals. But then you would need to be in the class for about 5yrs to stand any chance of winning the nationals anyway. That free hull with a 97 rig would keep up with the fleet. Basically, it would be about 3yrs before any hull design was slowing you down.

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Ok cheers, yeah i have no intention of winning nationals yet!!!!

Finally spoken to man in Bude and he is sending me pics and then once i've seen them (and you) we can finally say if we should get it or not, BUT HE CANT DELIVER IT .

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