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    Posted: 27 Jul 05 at 7:36pm

Strawberry - why do you need a definition of what a spinnaker is? Surely you know its the big yellow one sheeted off your transom!!! Code zero dont even think about it Confused. You'd need a bigger car just to put it in when its rolled up!!!

 

 

 

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dunno about nats but i like it the way it is, i can get round a whole corse without dropping it!

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Go on strawberry, stick a code zero on your cherub, we could do with a laugh...
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Originally posted by timnoyce

pro wannabe... you say that your laser 2 kite is regulation size yet
longer and thinner? it's a one design so surely it should be exactly
the same as all the others. not sure they'd be too happy at the nats
with an odd shaped kite to be honest

I imagine what he means is that its longer and thinner than say a Fireball kite. The Laser 2 has a lot of (70s) Cherub in which is why the long pole and a better reaching capability than other equivalent boats.

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pro wannabe... you say that your laser 2 kite is regulation size yet longer and thinner? it's a one design so surely it should be exactly the same as all the others. not sure they'd be too happy at the nats with an odd shaped kite to be honest
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 you couldnt really put any sail on a bow sprit for up wind /beating because you need a tight luff! but ive managed to get my spinnaker on my laser 2 to fly on a beat, but then its not a normal spinni, its longer and thinner, but still regulation size, if you get a semmetrical boat andn put the kite up and pull the pole down as tight as possible and pull the sheet in as tight as pos, then you can tighten up a fair bit!

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Originally posted by Strawberry

I mearly meant to spark a discussion as to what defines a spinaker, rather than say, any other headsail.

From a racing point of view, in general RRS 50.4 defines the difference quite precisely (except for your example of a Cherub). I quoted it in an earlier post. Basically, a jib or genoa is more or less triangular, while a spinakker is "fat" in cross section. Any other restrictions come in via class rules. So for example, while you might expect a spinakker to be made from nylon, there was experimentation with mylar film spinakkers for yachts in the late 80s (very pretty but they didn't really work) and some AC boats use spectra spinakkers of huge price.

If you want a real example of muddied waters, consider the Code 0 headsail which were carried by a lot of VO60 boats. They measure as spinakkers, in order to get around a ban on masthead jibs in the class,  but they "look like" big genoas made of laminate and are designed for close reaching. http://www.quantumsails.com/download/dispatches/Code_Zero.pd f is a good read.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jul 05 at 9:59pm
Originally posted by kasey3000

what i don't gte with kites with wire luffs is.....how do they come down into the chute?


is there a special system?



Well you don't see them nowadays, but mine had 2mm diameter flex wire, so it really wasn't an issue. Of course nowadays you'd just use vectran or something.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kasey3000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jul 05 at 8:37pm

what i don't gte with kites with wire luffs is.....how do they come down into the chute?

is there a special system?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ssailor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jul 05 at 8:33pm
and surely with a wire luff they are just large headsails for downwind like on some of the yachts/tri's?
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