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    Posted: 12 Jul 05 at 5:02pm

We didn't really consider a 49er or cherub because I am only 14 and also in the national 4.7 squad so because of all the traveling and my age we wouldn't have the time/strength to master a twin trap boat. We also thought the B14 would be beond our reach and would take a lot of matenance.

Deos anyone know how many 59ers there are in the country? 



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Originally posted by Shingle

I have thought about the trap idea but now there's three 59ers in the club we just as well stay in class. Peter LOL but can't be doing that pole thing, 505 with assymetric would be great!

The 505s sail like assymetrics in anything above 8 knots, the new cut of the big kite is designed to be reached down wind, crew on the wire all the time on windward/leeward courses.

Don't think the boat would suit a full assymetric IMHO.

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Tbh, your a bit off with your comment on the B14, it doesnt require much maintenance really, like ALL boats, it just takes looking after and it will last a very long time, and having sailed one, i can safely say that it is an amazing boat to sail, up and off the wind.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 05 at 11:19pm

I'm sure the B14 is a lovely boat and lasts very well but a new mainsail or spinnaker could be a bit pricey for a 14 year old.

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Originally posted by redback

I'm sure the B14 is a lovely boat and lasts very well but a new mainsail or spinnaker could be a bit pricey for a 14 year old.

I think that applies for any class of boat - for what you get, B14 sails are relatively cheap. A full suit is about £400 more than a full suit of Fireball sails, and for that you get a lot more sails for your money, particularly when looking at the spinnaker......

 

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Originally posted by Shingle

The Laser 4000 will not carry 24-26 stone comfortably.

Sorry shingle, this just isn't true. 26 stone is probably towards the top end of the 4000 weight range, but it's perfectly possible to be fast across the wind range carrying that sort of weight.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Phil eltringham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 05 at 4:09pm
B14 costs: pick a new boat, that is perfectly capable of winning races, for around 2500 to 3000, if I can, than so can anyone!!, Brand new full suit of sails for around 1500, but the top guys are always selling sails off after about a season for around half that, and being mylar, and the kites are in a bag not chute all the sails last for ages.  In fact the current world champion, tim Fells is doing that now, get in quick if you can.  B14s are built very solidly and so take no more maintanance than any other properly built GRP boat.  Because its light the loads on the rig (and crew for that matter) are lower than many other boats, as a result gear is on less of a strain and so lasts longer.  The booms and racks have been strenghtened since the original design and are now almost indestructable.  If you are interested, PM me, or put a note on the class message board at www.b14.org
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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 05 at 10:43pm
I agree its a lovely boat but £2.5 thousand is a lot of money for a 14 year old, but for me it sounds tempting.  Do you think it would carry my nearly 14 stone (88kg) at the back?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ian99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 05 at 11:03pm
The B14 will come in a lot cheaper than a 59er - I doubt you can pick a secondhand one of those for less than about 5k, given they've only been around a couple of years.

I don't think 14 stone in the back of a B14 would be a problem -  I think my 10 stone at the back of one is probably more of a problem for my crew because he has to hike harder! Also because helm and crew have equal righting moment, you can just sail with a slightly smaller crew to end up with the same overall weight.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Calum_Reid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jul 05 at 4:34pm
The 400 has anything but small suit of sails! We (my dad and i) are about 24 stone and we are flat out hiking in about a force 2! The odd thing about the 400 though is that it is as much hard work in a force 2 as it is in a force 6 (it just goes faster). As to the soaking downwind it can actually make going downwind fun because we get to play in the waves whereas boats that are faster just blast over them! I am slightly bias as i sail a 400 but it sounds perfect for you as it does nothing wrong the helm is nearly always balanced and it doesnt bite you at the smallest mistake!
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