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    Posted: 11 Jul 05 at 1:35pm

Why not stick a trap on the 59 er then ! , if there's not a lot about nor expected , unless mast won't take it .

 

Worked a treet on the heron screwed pad eyes into gaff, bit o d12 and weese offski , when blowin of course .

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Originally posted by Shingle

Being one of a rare breed of sailor who sails a 59er, I can say it's a far more rewarding experience than a 400. Admittedly, more skills are required to sail it than a 400, and there maybe times when it is a real blow when it is better to be a spectator, whereas the 400 would be sailable.  The 59er is a missed opportunity due to lack of marketing, and the LDC RS association machine, which has stifled the boat.  It is an excellent well-sorted boat that can compete boat for boat with an RS800 in light airs. Ultimately it depends what you want from your sailing class racing, or some performance. The market is crying out for a sorted two man single wire boat for those helms who are unable to trapeze helm. Until then I’ll enjoy the 59er.

there already is one it's called the 505
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I have thought about the trap idea but now there's three 59ers in the club we just as well stay in class. Peter LOL but can't be doing that pole thing, 505 with assymetric would be great!
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nonsense if you really think it's that difficult use a pole launching system (pull the string and it sets it up)
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Peter, you're missing the point, it's not that it's difficult, it's just I find asymmetric sailing is more pleasurable.
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I sailed the RS400 at Menorca sailing and thought it was a great boat, but the 59er looked to be a bit of a beast, i.e. it seemed to spend more time upside down capsized than sailing!
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I agree to the idea that the british market has long been lacking a well sorted single trapeze assymetric boat, im very surprised that to this day both laser and RS (especially RS) have not risen to the challenge. And before anyone comes away with it, the Vago is a more all round boat not a top end club racer / national level racing machine. For a while i considered the cherub to be the only worth while single trap asy. boat out there, as the 4000 is beggining to age slightly (despite still being a very very good boat). Perhaps Julian Braithwait has the right idea by adding a trap. to the 29er, but this is only an upgrade style modification, and not an all new design of boat. Also just to say i was not disrespecting the cherubs move to twin trap. in my previous statement, infact i think the new rules are the best thing to happen to the class in a long time, coming from a development class, its good to see one of these classes receivng a lot of positive focus. However back to the point, have you considered a cherub, i know its a branch away from what you originally looked at but at that weight you could manage it, or even consider a 49er, both will teach you more than the 59er and 400 (not that these boats will teach nothing, but with evident niggles either way as seen in this thread) perhaps you should consider a different style of boat. 
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Well I'm staggered.  How things change, until the 59er came along the 400 was the fastest non trapeze boat barring the B14 which has big wings.  Now we are talking about it having a small sail area.  I agree there is a limited wind range which it can apparent wind.  So often, you tend to soak rather than blast, but you try sailing one in a handicap race with a triangular course, you'll be busting a gut to keep the thing up on those reaches.  I've not sailed the 59er but with that spinnaker (and no trapeze) I would imagine the tighter reaches are not an option.  I'm heartened to hear it is so good in light airs, you would not have guessed it judging by the hull shape and mainsail area, but then the Bethwaites are very clever.

I couldn't help notice some discussion about there not being a decent single trapeze asymmetric.  I cannot believe the 4000 is not considered, it is after all a boat which carries a wide weight range due to the equalisation system.  You should try one, they are not easy, but they are very rewarding and fast.

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Originally posted by redback

...Now we are talking about it having a small sail area.


Small spinnaker I said, not small sail area. The white sails are reasonably generous, hence it carries weight well on the sea. And anyone at my club will tell you that's no new observation from me!
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Digressing slightly from the original question, but picking up on a few points. I can tell you that the Bethwaites already have a two hander with single trapeze aimed at normal sized adults on the drawing board. Unfortunately, Ovingtons currently haven’t the resources to get it to market and the Aus market doesn’t go for that sort of thing. The Laser 4000 will not carry 24-26 stone comfortably. LDC’s sails are buoyant enough they don’t feel the need to release any new product (RS800 SW doesn’t work), but if something were to come along that threatened their hold on the new dinghy market LDC would quickly raid the parts bin and produce something to counter it. It must be possible to provide near RS800 performance without the man with the stick having to dangle.
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