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    Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 9:53am
haha, what a humourous rule. Surely it's level of danger is all down to the person sailing it, rookies should have thin boats with padding!



right back to a previous question, i posted it on the 12 foot skiff forum but got no reply.... Is the rudder on this boat standard in the 12's or is it a bit of an experiment? I still haven't got round to building my new rudder for the cherub so was wondering if there were any benefits to having one of this shape?
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That series of shots was on the Favourite Pics thread about 6 weeks ago!

re R-Class - you can go as wide as you like, but the limitation is on extensions to the width that might be dangerous to people or boats to the satisfaction of the measurer (Rule 4.2).  That is a nice subjective rule for you.

The length difference between the R's & 12s doesn't seem to make much difference - 3% ish difference in theory based on the waterline length.  R's are a much smaller fleet though so the pace of development may well have been slower, so although the 12s are smaller I think the hull shape has progressed to a more refined state giving very little difference in performance. (just my humble opinion which is rarely influenced by facts).
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some more pics from the inters for ya.

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Originally posted by MikeBz

Is it just me, or my eyes, or is the kite actually goose-winged in the first picture at the bottom of page 3?   Must be one mother of a gust to have to go that deep!

Is 'skulling' a beer just tipping it over your head?

Mike

You might spell it this way,Skoaling, is just drinking a beer in the quickest time(5 sec has been done) as possible

what other class can you see almost 100 years of development?

 

 
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Originally posted by timnoyce

skiffe. just wondered what the maximum beam of the R-Class is? I found this information on the website but it doesn't seem to say a maximum width including the wings? or have i missed something?
  • 3.0 Beam
    • 3.1 The extreme beam measured to the outside of the hull must not be less than 1.4 metres measured between perpendiculars to the waterline.
    • 3.2 The full width of the forward section of the boat, measured across the boat, 300mm back from the stem must not exceed 700mm.

Also at 3.9 metres surely they have an advantage upwind over the 12's running as R-classes as they are about 25cm longer? or doesn't it make a difference?

To my knowledge the r class is 1800mm wide with no wings. The 12 guys who want to really compete, I've been told, have tried "clip-on" hull extensions. I don't think it worked. This Nuplex is the same boat the  the mining Pic, it just won the Leander Trophy, their National, I think. As you can see there are no hull mods. 

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it could be that the apparent wind was so much that they managed to bear away so far onto the run that the wind flipped sides of the boat. That always causes a spectacular wipeout i've found!
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Is it just me, or my eyes, or is the kite actually goose-winged in the first picture at the bottom of page 3?   Must be one mother of a gust to have to go that deep!

Is 'skulling' a beer just tipping it over your head?

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skiffe. just wondered what the maximum beam of the R-Class is? I found this information on the website but it doesn't seem to say a maximum width including the wings? or have i missed something?
  • 3.0 Beam
    • 3.1 The extreme beam measured to the outside of the hull must not be less than 1.4 metres measured between perpendiculars to the waterline.
    • 3.2 The full width of the forward section of the boat, measured across the boat, 300mm back from the stem must not exceed 700mm.
Also at 3.9 metres surely they have an advantage upwind over the 12's running as R-classes as they are about 25cm longer? or doesn't it make a difference?
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Originally posted by Skiffe

First off we don't call it a "pitchpole" we call it "going down the mine" or just "mining". This wins you and you crew a beer, which must be skulled

Thats why skiff sailors are alcoholics.

Or should I say alcoholism turns you to skiff racing


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For the UK Cherub guys, check out the NZ R Class http://www.rclass.org/ These are kind of a restricted twelve. The rig size listed is about 4th rig, in fact you will see NZ 12's racing as R Classes & those boats use their R Class rigs as a 4th (the smallest)

Did you know we have a bloke who admits to being 70( however I think is much OLDER ) steering a twelve. Maybe its because they are additive.

 
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