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    Posted: 27 May 05 at 8:02pm

I was thinking about which class I will eventually join when I have money and am no longer a poor student.

This summer a spent some time sailing RS800s and 29ers. The RS800 was cool and pretty fast, but I always felt kind of disconnected sailing it. The 29er although definitely slower, felt more exciting A laser in a blow downwind which is much much slower, is still loads of fun.

I think it's down to the size of the boat, the sort of go-kart effect. This is taken to the extreme with windsurfing which is really awesome (as long as there is enough wind!). Has anyone else experienced this?

I currently have a modified I14 which I’ve only sailed twice, but due to light winds and asymmetric problems I have yet to see her true potential. I’m pretty sure I’ll stick with my 14 for quite a few years yet. For £800 this boat is an absolute steal! To get a boat with racks, self tacking jib, T foil things start looking very expensive though. Most 14s seem to be very expensive off the shelf beiker designs kinda defeating the object of a development class. Maybe an ovi 2 or something with some work may be affordable.

The cherub class looks very interesting. I wanted to buy one instead of the 14 since my sister and I would be more suited to it weight wise, but there were hardly any available used for around £1000. Lots of them seem to be wood (maintenance issue) and have aluminium masts/symmetric spinnakers still. They seem to be getting with the times recently though! Anyone in the southampton area want to give me a ride in one?

Racing is of no consideration to me, I just want to go really fast. Most windsurfers never race, same goes for snowboarding and ‘extreme’ sports. Tried racing and didn’t like it. People yelling/bitching at each other and protesting is a weird idea of fun on a Sunday morning. My first open meeting 2 out of 18 boats had holes in their sides after the first start.

 

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Im not sure weathe the size of the dinghy affects its 'fun-ness' but i think it depends on the person sailing because if you want close tactical sailing but alos a lot of fun you would go for a topper where if you wnated pure speed an 18 ft skiff would be the best but theres no point in having an 18 footer just for fun and not racing, they are two expensive to maintain and not the right boat for cruising!!!! 

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It depends on you. Personally I prefer small and light, in boats and for that matter in bikes and just about anything else. Fr me without a doubt small and light is more fun. But other folk feel differently.
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Being in almost exactly the same situation as you m_liddell, including having a moddified 14!! i personaly feel that when i used to race a laser, it was exhilirating offwind whilst bein surrounded by lots of other lasers, but it doesnt compare to the pure trouser stainin speed of the 14!

As for a boat with self tacker, you could try some mods of your own - try lookin at your clubs compund for unpaid boats if there is one, and talk to the people in control of it to see if you can scavenge anything off them!

On our 14 we managed to fit a self tacker, by using the track from an old dart, and for the hydrofoils we got some centre board style wings (which we then used as a mould for our current ones) of some windsurfers that were about to be destroyed.

Both me and my mate who sails with me in the 14, have been working with fibreglass, carbon fibre and kevlar for a while now, and the best tip is to get some books on it, and teach yourself!

You can get epoxy from most chandlers, and the composite materials are relatively cheap! - the best example is our kevlar tillers on our 14 (also found on 18ft skiffs) - we made them for about 10 pound per tiller!


Any one in need of quality carbon fibre work (tillers etc) at decent prices!

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Smaller  Lighter boats are definatly more fun.

The Europe is more fun than the laser, the 14 is more fun than the RS800

If racing is not your thing then there is no real point in spending loads on a new top of the line 14, just stick with your converted one and look at geting an early post 96 rules boat once you have got the hang of the converted boat.

cutting the boat up and modyfying it is half the fun I built a T=foil rudder in my garden shed.

If you get into the whole boat modifying thing then the Cherub is the class to be in and they are short light bouncy and fun.
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Smaller means more responsive.  I cannot understand someone who doesn't want to race.  It's all relatively easy when you can gybe when you want but try doiong it under pressure - that is the challenge.  Being close to other boats and being forced to try and get that last fraction out of the boat and yourself is exilerating - you should try it again - you'll never get really good at sailing unless you race.
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Originally posted by redback

Smaller means more responsive.  I cannot understand someone who doesn't want to race.  It's all relatively easy when you can gybe when you want but try doiong it under pressure - that is the challenge.  Being close to other boats and being forced to try and get that last fraction out of the boat and yourself is exilerating - you should try it again - you'll never get really good at sailing unless you race.

Did a couple of seasons club racing in an Enterprise back in the day and also a few races in a 29er. Racing really seems to bring out the worst in people and I've found even at local club level, people are needlessly hostile on the water. We had one guy who came mid fleet in the series forcing a note put on the bottom of the published results about a 2 boat situation which didn't even change his position! This is just Sunday morning club racing! We have also had people come in on port yelling starboard so we had to avoid a collision, and so miss the mark. These were experianced sailors, they knew they were on port!

Another situation I've seen on the water was a guy infringe at the windward mark 1st time round. Instead of doing his circles he just sailed in and packed up his boat. The weather was perfect, so even if he didn't want to continue he could have just free sailed instead.

On the other hand I've had some really enjoyable informal races against some of my mates in lasers. Great fun. We allowed kinetics and hitting marks too. Some people need to leave the ego at home, chill out a bit and try and have fun instead of trying to prove a point. Sailing already has an image problem, the amount of red tape/cost to just join some clubs on the south coast is crazy.

For these reasons I have avoided racing and just changed class when I can manage the boat OK in a blow, then move on to a more difficult boat.



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If you look at the bigger picture of sailing, all dinghies are small boats. Are dinghies more fun than keelboats? You might give a different answer at 20 and 50.

I don't understand why anyone who "just wants to go fast"  sails dinghies. Cats, windsurfers or kite-boards would be the way to go for that. Dinghies seem a bit pointless if you don't race them and you won't really be "joining a class" unless you race.

 



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Originally posted by m_liddell


Did a couple of seasons club racing in an Enterprise back in the day and also a few races in a 29er. Racing really seems to bring out the worst in people and I've found even at local club level, people are needlessly hostile on the water. We had one guy who came mid fleet in the series forcing a note put on the bottom of the published results about a 2 boat situation which didn't even change his position! This is just Sunday morning club racing! We have also had people come in on port yelling starboard so we had to avoid a collision, and so miss the mark. These were experianced sailors, they knew they were on port!

Another situation I've seen on the water was a guy infringe at the windward mark 1st time round. Instead of doing his circles he just sailed in and packed up his boat. The weather was perfect, so even if he didn't want to continue he could have just free sailed instead.

On the other hand I've had some really enjoyable informal races against some of my mates in lasers. Great fun. We allowed kinetics and hitting marks too. Some people need to leave the ego at home, chill out a bit and try and have fun instead of trying to prove a point. Sailing already has an image problem, the amount of red tape/cost to just join some clubs on the south coast is crazy.

For these reasons I have avoided racing and just changed class when I can manage the boat OK in a blow, then move on to a more difficult boat.



when we race at our club everyone is really friendly,there hasn't been a protest for absolute years, everyone does there best to help each other out, thats what it's all about having  friendly compotition, if theres ever an inncident its sorted out by buying them a pint afterwards 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 05 at 12:42pm
Sounds like you should come Cherubbing.... we're the 'Surf Culture of the
sailing world.' Year before lasts nationals we had our fav Dub Break
Beat DJ playing off the Clubs verander whilst we all rigged up... no
shouting here, well only if you think the other boat hasn't seen you cos
you are going so fast!

We have an open meeting at Weston in a couple of weeks time I'm sure we
can arrange a test sail. Look on the web site; http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/chframe.php
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