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    Posted: 27 May 05 at 8:05pm
i dont think so!!
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Originally posted by hairymonster

We tried both boats (and the Omega - urgh) at
our club/centre and theres just no contest. The Vision was so much faster
than the 2000 in all conditions we tried it. Also when we weighed the boats
the 2000 was much heavier than it said in the brochure.. only 5 kg less than
the bigger plastic Vision. RS say the handicap is 1078. I can believe this and
compare this to 1092 for the 2000.



Well, are these figures to be believed or not?

It's hard to tell after only a short sail in each boat, but the Vision seemed the
livier of the two.
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but the vision has more sail area!!  if you wanted to compare the vision with another boat you could compare it to a startos!!
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Originally posted by carshalton fc

but the vision has more sail area!!  if you wanted to
compare the vision with another boat you could compare it to a startos!!


So you agree the Vision is a faster boat?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote carshalton fc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 05 at 5:51pm
well it does have more sail area but i would chose the 2000 any day,  it is just more fun and easyer to sail!!    i still dont like the vision tho!!

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Originally posted by carshalton fc

yer plastic is good and cheap but it isnt fast!

But that's because it's early days building 'plastic' boats. Wait until there's more than a handful of racing classes on the water and do a comparison then, just don't blow them off straight away because in 10 years time we'll all think hand laying up fibreglass is really primitive!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote carshalton fc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 05 at 8:16pm
yer but the guy that wants our advice doesnt want to buy a boat in 10 years he wants to buy it in the next year or two!!
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Originally posted by Matt Jackson

Originally posted by carshalton fc

yer plastic is good and cheap but it isnt fast!

But that's because it's early days building 'plastic' boats. Wait until there's more than a handful of racing classes on the water and do a comparison then, just don't blow them off straight away because in 10 years time we'll all think hand laying up fibreglass is really primitive!

Plastic boats need relatively speaking massive investment in the tooling and therefore needs mass production.  That being the case, plastic boats will generally be targeted at high volume markets which probably excludes the top end of the racing game.

Which brings you to the conclusion that plastic boats will always appear slow because the technology does not lend itself to making small numbers of very high performance boats...

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Carshalton FC have you actually ever sailed a Vision?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Matt Jackson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 05 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by Blobby

Originally posted by Matt Jackson

Originally posted by carshalton fc

yer plastic is good and cheap but it isnt fast!

But that's because it's early days building 'plastic' boats. Wait until there's more than a handful of racing classes on the water and do a comparison then, just don't blow them off straight away because in 10 years time we'll all think hand laying up fibreglass is really primitive!

Plastic boats need relatively speaking massive investment in the tooling and therefore needs mass production.  That being the case, plastic boats will generally be targeted at high volume markets which probably excludes the top end of the racing game.

Which brings you to the conclusion that plastic boats will always appear slow because the technology does not lend itself to making small numbers of very high performance boats...

Sorry, I disagree. The tooling for rotomoulding isn't that much more than for a decent hand layup mould - and it's certainly not an order of magnitude more like injection moulding.

Fibreglass seemed exotic and cheap (impressive how it pulled that one off eh?), but produced slow boats, once and look where that has lead - Carbon foam sandwich and the like. All I'm saying is that you guys are confidently making judgements on a technology which is in it's infancy.

I'm not making any judgment on current designs just trying to open a few minds.

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