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    Posted: 27 May 05 at 6:25pm

 

Hi,

Don´t be afraid of plastics (or better: polyethylene) It has been used for fish farm cages for over 30 years in Norway, and it stands storms, high and low temperature, and not at least heavy impact. Also, it is environment friendly. An excellent material!

 I have just started to introduce RS Feva to Norway, and I was surprised how nice it looks! OK, it will eventually loose its finish, but my 10 year old glassfibre boat does not look completely new either....
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Originally posted by Philsy

I've now sailed both boats.

The downside, if it is a downside, is that the Vision is not such a good-
looking boat, with its one-piece plastic hull and deck, and an ugly black
panel on the foredeck. Not a boat you'd take as much pride in owning.
That said, it's a lot cheaper than the 2000. 

People said the same thing about the first GRP boats once upon a time.

The point about weights being more consistent is an interesting one. As an engineer I am always trying to remove processes which have big variations in them or require some skill to acheive because although you might not make anything outstandingly good you will also not make anything truly awful.

If you buy a bad/heavy boat you tell everyone but if you have a good one you tend to keep it to yourself



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Lucky you! I'd be very interested to hear how you get on with it - I'm
tempted.

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Visions coming soon - on order!
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Hairymonster, do you own a Vision?

Plastic has advantages and disadvantages over glassfibre. The former is
more durable, but when it does get scuffed it's less easy to polish out.
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Theres much more to plastic than the looks. The benefits far outweigh the visual stuff, speshly if its little heavier than a 2k
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I've now sailed both boats.

The Vision feels livelier and has a more modern cockpit layout. I enjoyed
sailing it but I'd need more than an hour's sail in each to decide which I
prefer.

The guy from RS also commented on weight - saying that the
rotomoulded Visions were more consistant than the 2000s iin weight.

The downside, if it is a downside, is that the Vision is not such a good-
looking boat, with its one-piece plastic hull and deck, and an ugly black
panel on the foredeck. Not a boat you'd take as much pride in owning.
That said, it's a lot cheaper than the 2000.

I'm still very undecided.

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We tried both boats (and the Omega - urgh) at our club/centre and theres just no contest. The Vision was so much faster than the 2000 in all conditions we tried it. Also when we weighed the boats the 2000 was much heavier than it said in the brochure.. only 5 kg less than the bigger plastic Vision. RS say the handicap is 1078. I can believe this and compare this to 1092 for the 2000. Our club members can race, potter and learn.

In our opinion the 2000 has had its day.. the Vision does it all better and is cheaper to boot. RS residuals are renowned.. and has anybody else watched the 2000 prices dropping this year.

I'm not 2tonner bashing, we've had them and love them. I just think now RS has got stuck in theres only one thing thats gonna happen.

I sailed all of them, and the whoever says the Visio feels worse is nuts.. theres nothing in it, they feel the same.

We're waiting to swop our boats and get Visions now, but RS says theres a couple of months waiting list.

Maybe a K6 one day.. nows THATS a weapon!
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Umm, interesting feedback - thanks.

I know the Laser 2000 probably has the edge, but it is expensive, and
second-hand ones are hard to get.

Still be useful to know which is the faster of the two boats.
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RS has a much better reputation of building boats that last the test of time than Performance Sailcraft.  Look at the Laser 4000 compard with the 400 both classes are going through a dip but in 10 years time I would put my money on there being more 400's at a nationals than 4000.

I expect in the long term the same will be true of the vision and 2000 laser will stop investing in the 2000 when sales slow where as RS tend to commit to classes even when they struggle.

 
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