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    Posted: 26 May 05 at 9:18pm

Oh dear, not much agreement here.  I still reckon you get your bum as far out as possible and your body more uprightish as Stefan suggests.  That way you are more locked into the boat and when you hit rough water you stay with the boat and put a lot less strain on the back.  You can also lean out a bit more for short periods when necessary.  Don't ever let you back go concave - you can imagine the forces when you hit a wave.  The Laser does require a more straight legged hike since otherwise your bum is in the water due to low freeboard.  Incidentally do you know that you can shorten your effective toe strap length by crossing your legs at the ankles to give a more upright stance for reaches.

The forecast is for light winds on Sunday - so you'll be able to practice the roll tacks.

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thats what the rooster people say...
Straight legged good, bent leg bad.
(reminds me of a book...)
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so dumbing that down abit to my level, bent leg hiking = greater forces on ur knees, the smaller the angle when ben legging = larger forces still

meaning straight leged is the way to go?


this correct?
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From the rooster sailing site:

"Bent leg hiking causes large pressure on the kneecap i.e. Research has shown that when the knee is fully straight the load placed on the patella is minimal. However if the knee is bent 30 degrees twice the body weight is exerted on the joint and at 60 degrees the load exceeds ten times the body weight"

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Peter Rhodes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 05 at 2:52pm
I put my Knees on on the gunwale legs bent slightly and back lent back as required and straighten my legs if I still need any more leverage is this going to result in any health problems certainly most comfy in the mirror
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Originally posted by headfry

Some seem to sit on the side of the boat with 'bums' almost in the water, legs bent, looking like a 'rounded' ball on the side of the boat  Others seem to lay much flatter , extending upper body out over the water.

Bum as far outboard as you can bear and trunk more or less vertical from the waist up is the best technique. Bum on the boat and body semi-horizontal (other than temporarily) knackers your back and also gives you less view of incoming gusts. Better to have hurting legs than a hurt back.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote andy_cherub Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 05 at 11:46am
I know what you mean! Like the Star sailors! having the legs running down the side of the boat!! Id say - give up, hiking hurts!! get a twin trapeze boat or a B14! A nice gentle 'grandads' boat! hehe no offence B14 folk, my brother has one - long standing joke!!!
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well the further out you manage to extend your body,
the greater the turning moment, and the more
effective. But it's really tiring keeping yourself there
for long... So perhaps those you see extending
themselves(?) are just doing it momentarily - to get a
bit of extra speed - or reacting to a gust...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote headfry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 05 at 10:55am
"Sorry"  maybe I did not paint the right picture of my hiking question..

Some seem to sit on the side of the boat with 'bums' almost in the water, legs bent, looking like a 'rounded' ball on the side of the boat  Others seem to lay much flatter , extending upper body out over the water .  Oh dear, I fear this is no better than my last poor atempt to describe what I mean... help someone...please, do you know what I am trying to say...................?

But a huge thanks for all the views given
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On the hiking Q. I sail a Laser most of the time (aside from when I am allowed to play in the 'ball). You have to straight leg hike really. I do find that the sports neoprene knee supports are great (especially the ones with the 'hole' over the kneecap to hold it in place).

I have poor knees and they did suffer before I started hiking 'properly' in my Laser and wearing the knee supports..

The choice is easy really..

However I have to say when I sailed a 400 I could not straight leg hike no matter how long the straps were (same in the Scorp...but I do have long legs).

Give me a trapeze any day (and a symetric kite too......)

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