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    Posted: 22 May 05 at 9:12pm
i think u seem to have got the wrong idea of us english cat sailors. i think its been lost in translation. i believe we are a real friendly bunch and if u want to bring the top cat to england then good for u. my view is that the boat will struggle to find a market because of the similaritys to dart 18s but good luck with your project.
lifes to short to sail slow boats!

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Hi Hurricane,

your right, I`m sure your are a friendly bunch on and off the water. Horatio got my back up somewhat. I shouldn`t paint everybody with the some brush, and I now know that it was only the drink talking. Must tell him it`s not good for his lever.

And your right again, Topcat will struggle in the UK to find the right market, it`s looking for. It will sure take his time, but they say it has worked well everywhere else.

I wish it luck aswell.

Thanks

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well the more cats the better right? even if there not 20 ft like 5.9s lol hehe sorry couldnt resist!
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Hi Hurricane, that`s ok.

Yeah, right again, you said it, more the better. Just get out there and have fun catsailing. But big is not always better. We can do it on the wire, on one hull and in 1 m of water. He he, .

But wouldn`t want to fall off

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Stealth 18 is another option, newish class but amazing boat, planing hulls T-foils, lots of carbon and seems to really shift. Could be the next big thing..... and I also know someone who could sell you one if you're interested because they took 2 boats, one to sell on....
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Hi jmwalker, havenīt heard of your progress. Have you found a cat yet? When not poss. it`s a good idea for you and friends to try catamarans sailing out at the Topcat demo. www.cs-sc.org.uk and why not cost nothing it could be a good day out for you . They have darts and hurricanes there too. Also have a look at www.itca.de  Gallery IIC 2003. There you find pickys of K3 single handed which can be sailed and raced to up with jib. The K2 to up or raced single handed without jib. (you can have a reacher but itīs only for fun not racing). And the K1 two men with reacher but I don`t think at this moment, that is the boat for you. The K2 is, than you have the best of both worlds. But best of all just get a good second hand cat and go catsailing. Make sure it`s with in your  capability and do not believe all that you hear.Take it all  with a pinch of salt.

I can remenber coming from my monohole to a brand new Dart 18. First time out about a F4 gusting F5 it was a fixed line from the beach, a broudreach start against the tide and a big chop.

So I looked at the sea for ten mins., shaking in my wetboots, the Dart class captain come to me and said, come on itīs nothing, you`re be ok, just get over the start line. So we did, straight from the beach over the start line hanging on to the tow straips, for dear life, bouncing about on the tramp. Couldn`t go about at the mark because no one said I must be hard on the wind in these's thing's. So I bore away again, thought about a jibying for 1.10 th of a sec. NO.  So hung on went dead down wind, could not see nothing because of the spray, the main beam digging in, forgot how many times. Straight up the beach, capsize there and I kissed the pebbles on the beach, I`m still alive. So much the help from the class. he only wanted better points. I was ready to give the boat back, but tried again. So the next time was in a F2/3 wind. I was in controll and from that moment on I never looked back to my mono hull What I`m saying is donīt get a cat what has to much power at first and donīt go out in to much wind.

The  time will come , when you can handle  winds, high performance and high tec cats. More importend at first is to have fun cat sailing and be in control

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mickymouse, youre a funny guy, you have me in stitches. i get the feeling youre probably quite a sailor.
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Hi Horatio,

I find it funny now too. But can still remember it well, even after all them years. I`ve seen simular things happening with the newcomers to the cat world. And it always brings a grin to me. Quite a sailor, well, I`ve had my moments for sure and even won a few big regattas. The problem know is that there is a lot of new talent coming to the Topcat regattas and they all want first place. But thats why we go racing.

I donīt get to many chances to go racing these days. Only when my friend with the K1 want to make it so. Normal I go out on the lake, three or so times in the month. Sail around somewhat, take it all in, then navigate to a beer garden. There I look at some new models on two legs, walking around, no trapez, no go fast gagets only a smooth beautiful shape, with beautiful colours. They know how to get me going fast. But I can`t get it going in the right direction. Hm, this is a sailing forum, I will be taking part in the Topcat worlds at lake Gardasee in September. Must get some practice in before them. I sailed on Gardasee four times now, it`s beautiful there, espacielly with there winds. We normaly race in four to five with an heavy chop, you eat three/four surfers, they say on a good day you can walk across the Gardasee, there are so many of them. But in the early hours of the evening, two or three hours befor sunset, you can reach down the east side of Gardasee, twin trapezing, little or no chop, 75 - 100 m from the road then you harden up still twin trapezing, straight into a inner harbour. Hope there is a nice spot for you, great, there is. Straight into it, stop nicely on the pointon, what a pose. (heīs done that before). Have a bite to eat and a wine, sail back, twin trapezing with the sun going down, have a few beers with your sailing collegues on the terrace, than up to the hotel room, hit the sack, what a nice day. This is the other side of Topcat sailing and I wouldn`t give it up for all the tea in England or is it in China?  But it`s the same in England or?

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Ok, sorry about the cat food bit, I am following your text in the  Forum. I have also seen that in the local travel agencys, Topcat is in the holiday brochures, So you are right there.  They wouldn`t be at a quality hotel, when they weren`t any good.
 
I Also looked at the website and at the class association, all looks very good. It`s possible that we are going to the demo. But I have some questions.
 
First, Iīm 15 stones and my crew is not small. We have fun on the Dart and enjoy every moment. But we are always at the back of the fleet. So we are looking for something that is easy and simple to sail that will take our weight better and possibly put us a little nearer to the front.
 
Second: why is Topcat  not in the UK, when it`s been around so long?
 
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Hi calistow,

yeah, there is a good reason that Topcat are used more then other cats in hotels. There's a range of five they can choose from, there nothing you can damage, or too damage you on the boat, unless you have a collision, spears, well that`s minimal. There robust, quickly to rig, fast and simply to sail and the right price. I should be a sailman.

Yeah, go to gozzza demo at C.S.S.C., you can see the range 1st hand, try them and get more questions answered.

It would help, to loose some weight from the Dart. But that`s not your problem. When you say you are always at the back of the fleet it wount matter what boat you got. You`re always be at the back of the fleet.sorry, but it`s so. Try thinking a bit more positive. Get in there with the 1st ranckers on the startline. If your start is good and you go the right way, then there is no reason why you`re finish, shouldn't be good too. Don`t forget, the next race the wind could favour you, so go for it. How often do you race? How often you go the right way? Hey! I`m no pro, your fellow shipmates should give you some tips. But as for the Topcat, it does seem to take the heavy guys, better then a lot of classes for it`s size. 

We are 180 kg or so and donīt have these problems. It`s poss. in very light winds going down wind. The light boys start crowling over us but the leaward mark is insite. So just keep cool, we know why that's happening and think positive.

The K2 or K1, dependend on your experience sounds about right for you. They very much the same as the Dart, but better, I think so. Try it out for yourself at C.S.S.C. demo.

Your next question, you have to asked the boys at the demo, I have my own thoughts but not really sure. But I will follow that up a little more.

 

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