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    Posted: 21 May 05 at 10:11pm

i think your problem is the boat is trying to compete against the dart 18 and hurricane 5.9 and those two fleets are already well established and have high resale values as well as big fleet racing a new boat in the same format will struggle to take off it needs to be radical unlike something before like the spitfire to work

 

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well said hurricane!!!! you're trying to sell in a crowded market, - and where does a topact owner get his spare parts from? at a premium from the manufacturer i bet...

ok mr micky mouse cards on the table, sounds to me like your german. i bet you sail mostly inland, how do you fare in some british chop in the salt? i bet its more like a f****** u-boat......if your topcats are so good, tow yours to the uk and race against some 5.9s. maybe one of the LDs like the RIOW or the forts or the piers? lets see you put your money where your mouth is. my guess is 5.9s eat topcats for breakfast and you slink of with your tail between your legs - pussyCAT!!

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Bit harsh those comments horatio. 

Top cat looks like quite a good boat for a skeg boat.  Good beginer to intemediate or youth class with spinakker

Would not have gone with the "dagger style" rudders though as it could make it a bit dificult launching from the surf.

At the end of the day now, all cats in the 16 to 20 foot range with kite including the T are now competing with a VERY strong F-18 class.

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guess your right tornado, don't mean to offend. won't be posting anymore messages at 2am after a bellyful of budweiser  <my head hurts>

can see why dart sailors might fancy a tc if it has similar appeal - i started in 18s twenty odd years ago and still have a soft spot for them i guess. getting older (and fatter) now, at the stage where even the sailing brain doesn't give me the edge over the lean mean pups unless its really blowing.

we all got our preferences and class loyalties. at the end of the day anyone who sails multis is cool in my book. there's nothing like seeing the look on the face of mono sailor the first time they get on a trampoline and blast out in a 5+. remember my first time, and once you get hooked there's no going back - anyone remember that feeling?

be interested to hear what jmwalker actually buys and how it fares where he sails. let us know jm!!

 

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Hi Hurricane,      (post from the 21.05.05)

yes you are quiet right, I don`t no why Topcat didn`t go with the swing in the Uk some 25 years ago. It would have been well established. They must have had there reasons, maybe it had something to do with the designers. I know that Klaus helped to introduce the Dart in Europe, but from that I know nothing, only that Topcat went its way and it`s going well world wide.

I also know that Topcat is a different conzept to the high tec and high performance cats.

Maybe they get lucky in the UK  they also have the time to market this. We wait and see.

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Guten 'Tag Horatio,

it`s klar, you are not an English gentleman. First I think you should put a bar of soup in your mouth. When all 5.9 sailers are as agressive as you off the water, what are you lot like on the water.

Sorry, you can keep that attitude in the Hurrican fleet. Dear o deary me, what is it all coming too. (Have I said that right)?   

But you asked a few questions. Spare parts "whats`that" The Topcat is a basic cat, it`s not very often that you need spares. All through in the second regatta at Warnemünde/Eastsee/Germany in a big wind and chopy saltwater, I lost my teller extenshion (Topcat lent me one for the rest of the racing). We have a postsystem here, three days later I recieved a new extenshion at cost price + post.

Yeah most of our sailing is on lakes.

Two weeks ago I was at Ammersee/Bavaria, racing in a top end of a F 5 or a bit more, straight down the middle of the lake from the mountains. Trust me, the waves where big enough. It was great fun and I didn`t had to eat saltwater. But we do hold most of our Europeans and World Champion Chips on open seas (Dubai, Turkey, Red See, Eastsee...). Please feel free to have a look in the galery www.itca.de at ITC 2004.

Auf Wiedersehen.

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Hi Team Tornado,

thanks. It is good for a skeg boat and sails to windward very good. The skegs are very deep also we have no problems with putting center or dagger board up or down, when lunching or recovering .

For us the less work and the less things to do and go wrong, the better. I have no problems with the dagger rudder system on lunching in a chopy sea. We put them down to the same derth as the skegs and put them right down, when deep enough. But I did see a funny thing in a K2, They put them up to early and to high coming in on a big sea, it wasn`t so good for him. He lost control and his crew overbord. Lucky there was no boats to windward of him, could have been naughty,but to see him working with his teller bar and going the wrong way was funny,  only his pride was hurt.

But I did have a costly and   experience with a set of Dart rudders. When I did not make it through the surf. It come back up the beach minus one rudder and the other exploded big time.

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I had a look at the Topcat rudders on the K1 at the dinghy show. They can be set as deep as the skegs so seem to be ideal for beach launch/recovery. The whole boat feels really solid, and I'd imagine the rounded hull tops will stop the water sticking and therefore reduce the risk of burying the bows in chop.

Then again we launch/recover via a jetty which can frighten the life out of some sailors who are used to beaches and have never considered how to land an 8 foot wide cat on a 9 foot wide wooden ramp in a F5 onshore wind.

I'm keeping an open mind and I'm looking forward to trying a Topcat. I've just been watching Kevin Turner blasting down the Thames towards Southend pier in his 5.9sx with the kite up in a F5 south-westerly. Love to see how the K1 compares. Maybe mickmouse will come over have a showdown on the last weekend in June. I'd miss the inland nats at Graffham for that.

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well if a topcat can be botherd to turn up to the fast cat race we will see whats the best boat

kev turner is a legend!!!! and he really knows how to get that sx going!

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Hi Hurricane,

well, you have to ask the boys themselves if the can be bothered.But I shouldn`t think there be interested in getting messed up with you Hurricane boys, F18, Spitfire or any other cats for that matter. (Keine Angst). Topcat is another draft and for sure it`s not interested in who the best or robbery of any of the prefered classes in the UK.

But will be looking for the newbies to the sailing world. And those who wish to hopp from the Dinghys to the catamarans. That is why it`s the second most sold cat in the world. No tools to rig up with, no boards, god I said all this before (must be getting old).

Good luck to your legend at the fast cat race.

Hi gozzza,

I believe it was a K2 at the show, but it doesn`t matter, the rudder system is the same K1/K2/K3 and the 4.5. Yes it is more solid, than the most cats. First thing you noticed if you are unlucky to be in a capsized position, the hull doesn`t give in under your feet. Your jetty sounds  lots of fun, but I would be sorry for anybody standing on it, when a Topcat comes flying up it.  

Must be a Hurricane corner where you are, just hurd a bit about that legend Kevin, maybe the mouse will come with his K1 and six shooter. Seems to me, this best speed and best boat thing is a ego boost for you boys. I was watching the optimist class and the A class cats, you want to know where the most interest was, you got it. Great stuff to see kids fighting for the best place. 

Mickymouse 

  

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