New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Future Olympic Classes?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Future Olympic Classes?
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 2930313233>
Author
  Share Topic Share Topic  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
NeilP View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 23 Nov 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 271 		Post Options Post Options   Quote NeilP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Future Olympic Classes?
    Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 10:20am
Well said Blobby. 49er sailors will never "get" the FD, they are totally different boats. 49er is good fun in moderate breeze and flat water, and in those conditions very fast, but in 25 knots and a Solent chop, the FD will be far more entertaining, and get you round a course faster than just about any other boat. That doesn't make it any better or worse than the 49er, just different. Still don't think the FD should return to the 5-ring circus, and any class that isn't currently Olympic should think hard. Many drawbacks, including MASSIVE pressure on the integrity of the class rules (the search for speed causes that - FD class has extremely robust and well-policed rules), and the influx of "rock stars" every 4 years who then flood the market with used gear when they don't get selected! Class ends up being run for the benefit of selection processes, not sailors. If your class is not Olympic, just pray it stays that way.
Back to Top
Jon Emmett View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 15 Mar 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 988 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Jon Emmett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 10:27am

It is interesting but several of the top 49ers have come from single trapeze, symetrical kite boats such as 470s and 505s. Just because people sail the 49er does not mean they do not 'get' other boats. Many of the top crews from the games have been taking time out in a variety of other classes.

 

No obviously I am baised but I know which is faster in 25knots on the solent... the 49er! As for entertainment I know from my non sailing mates that the 49ers are seen as by far the best classes to watch on TV.

 

By the sound of it not every FD sailor would like to see the class in the Olympics but my understanding is would it not go for the Men's double handed (470) rather than Open double handed spot (going from Dinghysolutions comments).
Be Your Own Tactics Coach
Back to Top
Tornado_ALIVE View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 07 Nov 04
Location: Australia
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 611 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Tornado_ALIVE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 10:53am
Originally posted by Scooby_simon

Originally posted by Wave Rider

Are tornado's the 49er of the cat world?

 

No, the 49er is the Tornado of the mono world (and a lot slower too)

Wrong again.

I would say the 49er equivalent in the cat world would be the F-18.  I mean no offence here but both are heavier, slower, mass produced, poorer quality, and offer larger fleet racing.

The Tornado equivalent in the mono world is without a doupt the 18 foot skiff.  At the cutting edge off performance and production techneques.  And whilst they are raced in good numbers (The Tornado more so) they do not have quiet the same numbers in fleet racing.  But the average quality of sailor is a lot higher due to the expense of the boats and how challenging they are to sail.

www.formula18alive.com
Back to Top
Stefan Lloyd View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 03 Aug 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1599 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 10:59am

Originally posted by Tornado_ALIVE

But the average quality of sailor is a lot higher due to the expense of the boats and how challenging they are to sail.

I'd have thought the expense of the boat would be linked to the wealth of the sailor, not their sailing talent. That has certainly been my experience in keelboats. The owners of 40-footers are not better sailors than owners of 24-footers: just richer ones.
Back to Top
Dead Air View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie
Avatar

Joined: 27 Dec 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 80 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Dead Air Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 11:08am
True, but there aren't so many owner drivers in  18's and tornados, rather top class jockeys in works boats (18's) and people doing olympic campaigns in the tornado funded in part by national sailing associations.
Back to Top
Matt Jackson View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 04
Location: Darlington
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 962 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Matt Jackson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 1:36pm

Originally posted by NeilP

Still don't think the FD should return to the 5-ring circus, and any class that isn't currently Olympic should think hard. Many drawbacks, including MASSIVE pressure on the integrity of the class rules (the search for speed causes that - FD class has extremely robust and well-policed rules), and the influx of "rock stars" every 4 years who then flood the market with used gear when they don't get selected! Class ends up being run for the benefit of selection processes, not sailors. If your class is not Olympic, just pray it stays that way.

There was a discussion and a poll on the Contender e-group some time ago about trying to gain Olympic status or not. I'm sure some of you are are aware that the Contender was designed for this purpose and easily won the trials but was not selected. The class does get asked now and then to act as a benchmark for new trialls though.

There was not a huge reply to the poll but it was fairly conclusive that we didn't want anything to do with the Olympics. Interestingly though the votes for 'yes' and 'Don't care' were tied.
Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36
Back to Top
NeilP View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 23 Nov 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 271 		Post Options Post Options   Quote NeilP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 1:43pm

For the average-to-good sailor, the FD would be way faster in 25 knots and waves, and I was talking about entertainment for the people who really matter, ie the sailors. I personally don't give a stuff what spectators or TV viewers think. Whichever slot the FD went for, I'm not keen for it to happen, and I VERY much doubt that ISAF would ever admit that they made a mistake dropping the FD. So it's all pretty academic really. I'll go on sailing my FD and leave the world of the unenlightened to sail what they want!!

Back to Top
Scooby_simon View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 02 Apr 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2415 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Scooby_simon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 2:14pm
Originally posted by Tornado_ALIVE

Originally posted by Scooby_simon

Originally posted by Wave Rider

Are tornado's the 49er of the cat world?

 

No, the 49er is the Tornado of the mono world (and a lot slower too)

Wrong again.

I would say the 49er equivalent in the cat world would be the F-18.  I mean no offence here but both are heavier, slower, mass produced, poorer quality, and offer larger fleet racing.

The Tornado equivalent in the mono world is without a doupt the 18 foot skiff.  At the cutting edge off performance and production techneques.  And whilst they are raced in good numbers (The Tornado more so) they do not have quiet the same numbers in fleet racing.  But the average quality of sailor is a lot higher due to the expense of the boats and how challenging they are to sail.

 

TA - I'd aagree with this, I was just poking fun at the 49er as some people think it's the fastest thing on the planet

Wanna learn to Ski - PM me..
Back to Top
lemeouttahere View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie
Avatar

Joined: 31 Mar 05
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 94 		Post Options Post Options   Quote lemeouttahere Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 05 at 10:47am

Originally posted by NeilP

 I was talking about entertainment for the people who really matter, ie the sailors. I personally don't give a stuff what spectators or TV viewers think.

[/QUOTE

the idea of the olympics is to show off therefore the entertainment factor is crucial meanin ignorant tv viewers want to see crsh and burn and excitment such as the 49er and

the idea of the olympics is to show off therefore the entertainment factor is crucial meanin ignorant tv viewers want to see crsh and burn and excitment such as the 49er and tornado provide
Back to Top
Jack Sparrow View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 08 Feb 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2965 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 05 at 11:01am
Originally posted by lemeouttahere

Originally posted by NeilP


 I was talking about entertainment for the people who really matter, ie
the sailors. I personally don't give a stuff what spectators or TV viewers
think.



the idea of the olympics is to show off therefore the entertainment
factor is crucial meanin ignorant tv viewers want to see crsh and burn and
excitment such as the 49er and tornado provide

[/QUOTE



Shame, because thats how you grow a market.


Shame, because thats how you grow a market.
Farr 3.7 Class Website
Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 2930313233>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy