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Guys, like I said before, relative performance of two - or even a small number of boats is no guide to anything... To put in perspective lets say Class A has PY of 800, Class B has PY of 850. Both fleets have the normal 200 points variation of ability. That means that the National Champion in Class B would expect to beat three quarters of the Champs fleet of Class A on the water...

Originally posted by Merlinboy Chris, its says 14(non-foiling) They experimented with foils on the 14 but i think they have since been banned! We only sail with a T-foil off a handicap of 850 which may i add is peeved especially if the 800 is off 820 and a 5tonner is off 849!!!!

Surely the t foil makes quite a big difference in speed, surely it should have its own? Its not a bad thing for you lot I guess! you should absolutely thrash!!

Originally posted by BBSCFaithfull Originally posted by simsy Originally posted by 29er310 Sorry Simsy, there is not a hope in hell of an 800 being quicker than 1405. The idea of a Skiff-Off would be interesting, I think the top 3 would be 1. 49er 2. 14 3. 800 George I accept your apology, however I am not sure what it is for. Your statement there is incorrect. A boat (say a certain 14) starts a race before another boat (say an 800), and then finishes the race behind the 800. So over the whole race, you're are going to tell me that the 14 was quicker, even though it is physically impossible for that to be so. Good luck with that. Simsy, Living up to your new found nob status once again. I admit some 800s slipped past but if you're continuously basing all you ideas about my boat on the bloody mary and not proper racing then good for you. But i know that in a proper race in chichester harbour in a good steady breeze not filled with all the rubbish air that was present at queen marys, that there would be no contest between my boat and your precious 800.

Why do you continue to resort to insults? It's pathetic and childish. Why is the Bloody Mary not proper racing? It must be at least OK if over 200 different boats turn up to it! No?

The added upwind advantage more than compensates for the off wind speed "loss". The added stability it provides when is honking will also increase speed around the course, I would think.

Originally posted by simsy Originally posted by BBSCFaithfull Originally posted by simsy Originally posted by 29er310 Sorry Simsy, there is not a hope in hell of an 800 being quicker than 1405. The idea of a Skiff-Off would be interesting, I think the top 3 would be 1. 49er 2. 14 3. 800 George I accept your apology, however I am not sure what it is for. Your statement there is incorrect. A boat (say a certain 14) starts a race before another boat (say an 800), and then finishes the race behind the 800. So over the whole race, you're are going to tell me that the 14 was quicker, even though it is physically impossible for that to be so. Good luck with that. Simsy, Living up to your new found nob status once again. I admit some 800s slipped past but if you're continuously basing all you ideas about my boat on the bloody mary and not proper racing then good for you. But i know that in a proper race in chichester harbour in a good steady breeze not filled with all the rubbish air that was present at queen marys, that there would be no contest between my boat and your precious 800. Why do you continue to resort to insults? It's pathetic and childish. Why is the Bloody Mary not proper racing? It must be at least OK if over 200 different boats turn up to it! No?

I felt your previous comment was childish anyway i apologise for calling you a nob. And its not really proper racing as in A) No clear air so you couldnt actually get any real speed up B)Lap recording was shocking  C) It was horrible dodging boats before and after marks. So all in all just a big water based game of dodgems