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Sam.Spoons 
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 Topic: Is inflation impacting Nationals Attendance?Posted: 02 Sep 22 at 9:16am |
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I always thought that when the gate boat released the pathfinder he had to gybe round and start behind the gate (who continues at the same speed and direction for a distance) so no advantage at all?
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Gordon 1430
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Posted: 02 Sep 22 at 11:58am |
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Hi Sam
No they are just released to tack if they want to and the guard boat will sit and drift so a predetermined time allowing late boats to start. Regards Gordon
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Mozzy
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Posted: 02 Sep 22 at 12:06pm |
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Our gate was moving for 6 minutes, but pathfinder allowed to tack off after about 4.
After 6 minutes it stops moving and drifts Then at some point it closes completely. You couldn't gybe round as you'd have no rights. And if they did that no one would want to be pathfinder ever.
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 03 Sep 22 at 8:50am |
That's how we did it for casual 'rabbit starts' with no gate boat but back in the day you would have a gate boat and a guard boat protecting the pathfinder and, so the pathfinder didn't gain an advantage the gate boat continued on after the pathfinder was released to allow him to start correctly behind the gate boat. The RYA advice now says the pathfinder can tack rather than pass behind the gate boat which gives the pathfinder a few boat lengths advantage, when did that change? |
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deadrock
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Posted: 03 Sep 22 at 10:17am |
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The Lasers made the change in the mid-1980s. If it was windy the pathfinder had a difficult job to bear off and make a faultless gybe to pass anywhere close to the guard boat. The pathfinder was already at a disadvantage having their start position dictated for them, and a start line with 150+ boats meant they were in effect banging a corner.
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andymck
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Posted: 04 Sep 22 at 6:52am |
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As far as I am aware in the classes that were early adopters and inventors. It has always been to tack.
Gybing round in anything less than a force three in most boats would be a significant disadvantage. And there would have been lots of stories about capsizes or swamping. No one would be willing to be the gate boat. |
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Posted: 04 Sep 22 at 6:59am |
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Ents used to have to gybe round in the annals of prehistory. I understand but was changed very quickly!
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Rupert
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Posted: 04 Sep 22 at 7:58am |
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Fireflies gybe around for decades, if I remember right. I was never in danger of being the pathfinder, unless they added a zero. Not sure when the change to tacking happened, but it made sense.
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 04 Sep 22 at 10:37am |
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IIRC gybing round was in the RRS appendix relating to gate starts when I read it but it was many ears ago. WRT people being willing to be pathfinder I don't think that would ever have been an issue, just like any other rule if you are 10th you are pathfinder in the next race, end of...
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MikeBz
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Posted: 05 Sep 22 at 11:28am |
But if it was massively undesirable then you may get a strange game playing out when the 10th placed boat approaches the finish line... "After you, no after you...".
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