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    Posted: 15 Aug 22 at 4:55am
Originally posted by DiscoBall

Originally posted by CT249

 
It's a mystery to me why people would rather SUP than kayak

I always think it's quite telling that this pops up on here and sea kayaking forums - both sports that seems to attract older men who have a particular technical/equipment focus to their leisure activities.
 
The huge joy of sup (in places with clear water at least) is in the access it gives you to the underwater world - far more than you ever see from the low down position in a kayak and IME often superior to snorkelling. If you think of sup simply as a waterborne version of going for a walk it makes a lot more sense as to why it has enormous appeal to a broad section of society. I don't perceive that many dinghy sailors are really that interested in the natural world other than as a backdrop to sailing in circles.  Smile 

As to the safety aspect, the 'you won't get wet' comment seems to be pretty true really. Other than the odd really inept beginner (usually wet-suited to the max anyway) I struggle to think of seeing anyone fall off unintentionally in years. Much like with SOTs the vendors don't want disgruntled customers who can't stay upright, so they push very stable designs (perhaps to the detriment of more capable beginners).

423 asks about statistics - I think the RNLI published a report a couple of years ago saying that paddlesport rescues had doubled in the previous 5 years. Cue much huffing and puffing in sea kayaker circles. However even by that stage SUP/SOT/kayakfishing participants outnumbered sit-in kayaks by far more than 2:1, probably more like 10:1 and that has only increased.

The real elephant in the room for sit-in kayaking is why, despite the training courses and the prescribed (long) list of safety kit, worn in all the prescribed places (few activities are as dogmatic - perhaps another reason people have embraced paddlesports outside of the 'official' club scene), there are still so many accidents. Its almost as if there's an inverse correlation between safety kit and competence...



Very interesting!  My issue with SUPs v kayaks is that the windage of SUPs can be a problem in places with strong breeze in summer, but I'd never thought of the underwater vision issue despite being a keen snorkeller.

My brother, a keen sailor and sea kayaker, erupts when the elephant in the room is mentioned because he has had far too many experiences with sea kayakers who are so laden down with "safety" equipment and so light on fitness that they can't re-board their craft without great difficulty. We get similar conversations in yachting, where some people feel that PFDs etc are vital even on flat water and others of us feel that being physically fit and able in the water (and that means being able to re-board your craft without difficulty whether it's a yacht, a SUP or a kayak) is one of the most vital issues.

IMHO you're dead right about there being too much emphasis on tech, and a lack of emphasis on the beauty of a sport, and its health benefits.
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Perhaps their lack of fitness/age infirmity gives them cause to extend their hobby by carrying loads of safety kit? I personally can get in the kayak in all weather conditions, but when going on a cruise I take radio and phone. Just playing around off the beach I don't wear a buoyancy aid, I have a SOT and sit in, when on the beach, no one looks at the sit in, but the SOT is in constant use, only equipment used is the paddle.
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Still sailing in circles
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Originally posted by 423zero

Perhaps their lack of fitness/age infirmity gives them cause to extend their hobby by carrying loads of safety kit? I personally can get in the kayak in all weather conditions, but when going on a cruise I take radio and phone.


Good on you 423, but my experience of the sea kayak world is that the majority of people can't roll or self-rescue consistently, if at all. While I never had any interest in owning a sit-in, rolling itself always seemed an interesting skill to learn, and after paying for 3 lessons and quickly found I could do it in a range of boats with little trouble. 

This made me all the more curious about the many club members who proudly owned an 'expedition' boat and every safety nik-nak under the sun, but appeared after years of winter pool sessions to still be unable to roll except in perfectly calm conditions. Of course these were often the same people who would paddle up to SUPs and SOTs to berate them about their lack of safety equipment...the true spirit of sea kayaking.  LOL




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Originally posted by The Q

Paddleboarding warning issued after 100 rescues in 48 hours on one stretch of Welsh coast (msn.com)

What qualifies as needing rescue? Imminent chance of death or just avoiding a long and embarrassing walk/taxi back to where you started? I'm happy to be an Offshore member, but my impression is that the RNLI media team have decided anyone who so much talks to a lifeboat is a 'survivor' who's been 'rescued'.  Confused

How many (tens of) thousands were out at that time?

If the same number of novice dinghy sailors were out, how much would the numbers have differed?

What happened during the dinghy boom? Seems unlikely that with all those home built boats and novice sailors that there were not 'growing pains'?

Perhaps most importantly - have they beaten sailing's previous claim to fame? Last time I looked at the numbers the biggest cause of RNLI call-outs was yachties with engine failure.  Embarrassed




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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 22 at 4:51am
Also a big difference between the RNLI who man the boats and the beach Nazis on patrol in places like Cornwall … I cancelled my my lifelong RNLI membership after a particularly officious incident on Fistral Beach years ago, diverted the money into a children’s hospice instead
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 22 at 6:04am
I know RNLI crews and they're pretty down to earth but some of the RNLI publicity machine is OTT. I recall watching a TV "Saving Lives at Sea" where a pair of sailors had an RS400 on it's side sorting out a breakage. Despite insisting they were fine the crew insisted one of the sailors leave their boat and swim over to the ILB (presumably they were wary of prop fouling on loose lines , fair). The ILB persuaded the sailors to take a tow back in while there was a dramatic voice over of the hazards of the tow to the ILB. Err no, a dinghy being towed is at bigger risk, especially with non dinghy familiar RNLI crews, which is why no dinghy crew knowing anything would ever allow themselves to be towed with a line made fast to their dinghy. I do carry a tow line but would ever take a turn and hold it for release if needed; I refuse to comply with some water regulation authorities whose rules require a fixed painter.  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 22 at 6:07am
Is inflation ...........................? Well how can it not?  Diesel £10.00 a gallon in old money.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 22 at 6:22am
Yep, point taken regarding their publicity machine … kind of why I reconciled with the knowledge that any future donation would be in the event of an actual incident, direct to local collections team of said crew, rather than a direct debit to to the marketing and PR department
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Q Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 22 at 6:36am
it's often not the RNLI But the press..
The Hemsby inshore rescue crew (independant) appeared at my club to rescue someone that had fallen off a hire boat..
2 fire engines , one fire truck, one fire chiefs car, one coastguard 4x4, + the lifeboat crew..
by the time they got a boat launched he  had already been got aboard..
At that point on the river (only 100ft wide) you can swim to the bank and walk up one of many slipways...

The local paper reported it as a huge incident, with stern warnings about drinking and boating..

I spoke to the boat crew he had come off, none had been drinking.. it was 09:00 ish when he tripped on a cleat and fell off.. The boat behind panicked and called out the cavalry.

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