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    Posted: 02 Aug 22 at 12:24pm
Well done Mozzy! Good luck in the new role too

https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/252244/RS800-UK-National-Championship-overall
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worth a read
https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/252024/What-made-the-ILCA-Nationals-a-success

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Our club Laser fleet were all donated, easier to give them to us than to sell them.
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Like the proverbial coachroach and Nokia phone, I think it will take more than a nuclear war to kill Lasers/ILCAs off. Indeed I recently managed to put a new club member without a boat in contact with a near neighbour who's recently deceased husband had inherited a Laser and she now wanted to give it away. Apparently it was all there and working and the new member had it out sailing this week. The sail number is just four digits - something like 8450, which must make it ~50 years old
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Originally posted by Grumpycat

ILCA figure is world wide as the sell into every market , with the Aero figure I would would be split about 80/20 with the  80% sold in the uk. 

I wonder. It would be very interesting to see a breakdown of registrations. It does seem as if one of the reasons the ILCA was prepared to ditch Laser Performance companies was because they were perceived to be doing very little to sell, promote and support the class outside Europe. Its noteworthy that the shenanigans around the 'alternative' CA seemed to make it look as if class membership was very euro centric.
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The thing is we all live in our own little sailing  world but all these countries/ markets are very different. 
You take the figures given by ct249 ,700 ILCAs to 500 Aero. The ILCA figure is world wide as the sell into every market , with the Aero figure I would would be split about 80/20 with the  80% sold in the uk. 
So PSA service there home market really well , so ct247 thinks ILCAs are doing well. 
We see Aeros popping up everywhere, so we think Aeros are doing well. 
Both views are correct from the perspective we are looking at them. 
Tbh I was surprised that the ILCAs number was that low but I suppose the new builders were not up and running back in 2020. They must be selling more than that now, but it will be nothing like it used to be in the 1970s. When my wife and I had our first Lasers their numbers were about 15000 apart but one was only 18months older than the other one. Puts those figures of 700 and 500 into perspective.  Smile


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Class reports to World Sailing show that even with the disastrous legal kerfuffle the Laser was still outselling Aeros by 720 to 500 in 2020.

It's not a class in decline around where I sail, and no one is trying for the Olympics here. Where I live it's still by far the biggest class (partly because they last so well at club level, as other comments here confirm) and where I used to live the Laser fleet has gone from 18 to 26 boats.

In the same time, the Contender fleet there has gone from nine boats to zero.....I wonder if they heard that light modern boats are the way to go and therefore they sold their 1960s design 85kg boats?


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Not sure I believe that, when I picked up my new boat from Ovington (not an ILCA) they had and order book for 400 of them I heard… not sure anything still even comes close to that
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At the price of a new ilca people seem inclined to spend a bit more and get an aero. Not seen a new laser ( legal or not ) for ages; they used to appear quite often,beven in the youth fleet. Both ilca and aero seem rather expensive for such a simple boats, but the aeronisbat least light and modern.

Back in the day we used to stop club racing for laser events because so many boats came .. and so many club racers were conscripted as troller dollies etc. This year we got only 14 boats at our recent ilca train & race event. Very windy weekend though.

Class in decline. If the Olympics dropped it, it would surely fade away.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

I'd say about 1 in 10 of the Laser in my clubs are with their first owner, about the same as everything else?

I thought it must something like that in the bigger sailing world.

To put that into the prospective of my sailing world. 
1) there is only 1 ILCA/ laser at my current club and it’s over 30 years old.
2) In my 35 of sailing, in all the clubs I’ve been a member of , I’ve only ever seen 7 new boats.  Ouch
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